Ducati S2R 1100

[Travman]

When is Ducati ever going to get the S2R 1100 to market?  To me it is taking forever.  When I started to get serious about buying a Ducati was around the same time the 1100 DS engine came out in the Multistrada.  So I incorrectly thought that the 1100 DS engine would quickly become standard in all the bikes that had the 1000 DS engine.  Then I saw pictures of the HyperMotard with its 1100 DS engine and lots of cool stuff like the 50mm forks and cool radial brakes.  So I incorrectly though they S2R 1100 would come out soon and that it would have all the cool stuff the HyperMotard had.  Then the 696 was introduced.  I can now see the new direction the Monster line will take, but when will the new S2R1100 be here?  Sorry to rant, but I am getting impatient.  I want what I want and I want it soon. 

I would have bought a S2R 1000 already, but I hesitated because of a move and because of all of the ECU/surging issues I've been hearing about.  So a little over a year ago I bought a super low mileage 620 to get my feet wet.

Seriously though, why hasn't Ducati put the 1100 DS engine in the Sports Classics and the Monster?

[Rameses]

Do what I did.  Get a Hyper.

It's more Monster than the new Monster is.

[He Man]

because what are you going to do with the warehouse full of  DS1000s engines and parts?
Honestly why do you think they made S4R's and Rs? and S4?

If an S2R1000 ever came out, it would have the same stuff as the modern monster. adjustable showas taht are sprung for babies, radial brakees a definitly yes. Current S2R1000s dont even have radial masters ( atleast i think not) so i doubt an S2R1100 would), The surging issues happen through all the range of bikes, not sure if the 08's are any different. The reason for the issue is the mono lamba sensor. Did they fix this?

And if an S2R1100 comes out, whos gonna say it wil be classic ducati style and not 696 style? your screwed either way, get an S4R. 

[mikeb]

whos gonna say it wil be classic ducati style and not 696 style?

I agree.  I don't think you'll see an S2R.  You don't think they'd redesign the Monster and carry the makeover to the entire line do you?  I think the S2R is bye-bye.......

[NAKID]

And if an S2R1100 comes out, whos gonna say it wil be classic ducati style and not 696 style? your screwed either way, get an S4R. 

Word on the street is that the "S2R1000" will be the new 696 style. All Monsters will go to this. The 696 was an early release. We won't see the 09 line up until November after the Milan Show...

[Big Troubled Bear]

Maybe as soon as september at the EICMA show ?

[wbeck257]

Word on the street is that the "S2R1000" will be the new 696 style. All Monsters will go to this. The 696 was an early release. We won't see the 09 line up until November after the Milan Show...

Well yeah -- with 696's selling like gang-busters all the Monsters are going to look like it.
Why would Ducati do anything differnt? Like it or not the 696-styleing is what it is going to be like for Monsters.

(Nether the less -- Ducati did say they are coming up w/ what, 10 new models in the coming years? You'll have a lot to pick from.)

[Travman]

Do what I did.  Get a Hyper.

It's more Monster than the new Monster is.

Good point.  I may do that in the future.  I still haven't completely warmed up to its looks though.  I love how narrow it looks from behind.  Whenever I see one in person I think it looks better than the pictures which seem to emphasize that beak nose.  Maybe I'll get one, chop the beak off and call it my new bike.

[Travman]

because what are you going to do with the warehouse full of  DS1000s engines and parts?
Honestly why do you think they made S4R's and Rs? and S4?

You're probably right.  I wonder if they really make all those engines that far in advance of putting them in a motorcycle.

The surging issues happen through all the range of bikes, not sure if the 08's are any different. The reason for the issue is the mono lamba sensor. Did they fix this?

I didn't know the bikes with the 1100 DS like the Hyper and Multi had any problems with surging.  But then again I don't really pay as much attention to them as I do Monsters.

And if an S2R1100 comes out, whos gonna say it wil be classic ducati style and not 696 style? your screwed either way, get an S4R. 

I am assuming that any new S2R1100 will be in the 696 style but with a SSS.  I'm OK with that even though I greatly prefer the classic style.  I just think Ducati should have put a 1100 DS motor in a Monster along with some upgraded suspension & brakes at least 2 years ago.  So I am willing to try to like any new 696-style S2R1100 bike that they produce as long as they do it soon. 

[mikeb]

I am assuming that any new S2R1100 will be in the 696 style but with a SSS. 

Why are you assuming it'll have an SSS?  You think Ducati did all that r&d and tooling for the new 696 chassis just to use something else in the rest of the bikes?

[MadDuck]

Why are you assuming it'll have an SSS?  You think Ducati did all that r&d and tooling for the new 696 chassis just to use something else in the rest of the bikes?

Why not a SSS? The 1098, 848 & Hypermotard are fitted with them. Ducati knows the SSS is a seller so it's very possible that it could still be used in the Monster line-up. Same deal with the dry clutch.

[mikeb]

Why not a SSS? The 1098, 848 & Hypermotard are fitted with them. Ducati knows the SSS is a seller so it's very possible that it could still be used in the Monster line-up. Same deal with the dry clutch.

Well, using the 1098 and 848 as an example.  They look the same don't they?  There aren't two different designs for the Superbike is there?

That's because it make sense to use the same design for a given model line.  All the bikes in the family look the same.  Plus, you recoup your R&D $$$ quicker by spreading the design across a bunch of models.

I see the Monster the same way.  It's not a question of if it would sell.  Just a question of what makes sense.  From a production standpoint it makes sense to use the new design across the entire range.

[mikeb]

I guess a better way to put it is if Ducati's vision of the new Monster included a SSS why didn't they include it on the 696? 

[DucSteve]

the 1000 the s2r has and the 1100 the hypermotard has arent really all that different... they have the same hp numbers, the 1100 just has a tad more torque.  as if the 1000 with lacking

[MadDuck]

Maybe to keep production costs down on a yet unproven model? Time will tell. We'll see. A company has to market to all buyers and the SSS has a very wide appeal.