http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35907 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35907)
mladin grabs pole by over a second on nearly-a-streetbike. yeah, the problem was the equipment before.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/w032009d.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/w032009d.htm)
beginning of the hacking re-domination of the 600s. er, and the 1125s.
(sbk race 1 spoiler!)
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090321a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090321a.htm)
How are the twin cylinder 1125s racing the inline 600s?
Quote from: BastrdHK on March 21, 2009, 08:39:24 PM
How are the twin cylinder 1125s racing the inline 600s?
Not very well.
Quote from: Spidey on March 21, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
Not very well.
you haven't looked at the fontana results yet, huh? ;D
Quote from: derby on March 21, 2009, 09:04:56 PM
you haven't looked at the fontana results yet, huh? ;D
No, but I was mostly f'n around b/c of the duct tape at Daytona. I saw that buell was 2d in qualifying for Fontucky (and pretty damn close to Hacking), so I assume it did pretty well. Helps that it has 30+ hp on the 600s and a boatload more torque. (is it 30? Whatever. It's a buncha)
I can see it now...
DMG/AMA pro racings' BOT
They'll all be the same with different paint jobs.
Now that's racing. ;)
How are they equalizing the power difference? I saw that the bigger bikes were 20lbs heavier at Daytona? Is that it or are they restricting intake too?
american bikes don't need no stinking restrictions
Quote from: BastrdHK on March 21, 2009, 09:40:44 PM
How are they equalizing the power difference? I saw that the bigger bikes were 20lbs heavier at Daytona? Is that it or are they restricting intake too?
That's what I want to know. I just find it odd that the same bike can be eligible for every racing class.
Quote from: gm2 on March 22, 2009, 10:04:05 AM
american bikes don't need no stinking restrictions
it's an austrian motor, restrict away! ;D
Quote from: BastrdHK on March 21, 2009, 09:40:44 PM
How are they equalizing the power difference? I saw that the bigger bikes were 20lbs heavier at Daytona? Is that it or are they restricting intake too?
there's supposedly a competition bulletin that grants the buell the same minimum weight as the 600s.
i'm curious to see what happens in the race today.
either way, they should likely revisit the performance indexing of that class. this isn't like when they gave the xb12rr ~1300cc and carte blanche on modifications. i really think they've overshot their mark on the 1125.
looks like eslick just doubled.
no 6-second-lead-to-victory-wheelie today. hacking pushed him hard for the last half of the race, just losing out on the win by 0.099s. they were 8s over disalvo in 3rd.
more sbk spoilers. totally shocking ones, at that.
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35926 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35926)
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090322b.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090322b.htm)
tempers be flarin' in the sportbike post-race interviews:
http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/03/22/eslick-again (http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/road-racing/2009/03/22/eslick-again)
The press conference after the race proved as entertaining as the race itself as DiSalvo and Hacking got into it. DiSalvo took exception with Hacking talking to Eslick while DiSalvo was being inteviewed. DiSalvo told Hacking to be quiet, Hacking basically continued as if nothing was said, and then DiSalvo told Hacking to have some respect. At that point, Hacking said: "I lost all respect for you along time ago." Then DiSalvo went with "Well, I never had any respect for you."
looks like yates earned his paycheck today:
http://twitter.com/23race (http://twitter.com/23race)
Yates finishes 10th after suffering a flat front tire on lap 15 out of 19. Rim is smoked.
ruh roh
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35927 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35927)
It says AMA Pro Racing...
You think it's really NASCAR doing the suspending?
race 2 post race interviews:
Daytona SportBike race 2 podium and press conf presented by AMSOIL from Auto Club Speedway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCPctYu0txg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Froadracingworld%2Ecom%2Fnews%2Farticle%2F%3Farticle%3D35928&feature=player_embedded#ws-lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
To answer DiSalvo's question: Yes, you did talk during Hacking's interview you sandy little pregnant dog.
Quote from: EvilSteve on March 22, 2009, 11:01:57 PM
To answer DiSalvo's question: Yes, you did talk during Hacking's interview you sandy little pregnant dog.
ya know, i see competitors talk to each other, off mic, during the other racer's interviews all the time. even in f1!
disalvo blew the whole thing out of proportion. if he was
really concerned about 'respect' during the interview, he would've motioned for eslick to be quiet when he tried to talk to
him.
honestly, it's just more fire between hacker and "little d." they do
not like each other.
i'm kinda bummed that the ott guys didn't get the real fireworks before or after the filmed interviews.
fwiw, i'd also be somewhat irked if i was racing a 600cc bike against a 1125cc twin w/ a 2x torque advantage and no weight penalty.
http://www.amasuperbike.com/assets/AMAPro-CompBull-2009-03.pdf (http://www.amasuperbike.com/assets/AMAPro-CompBull-2009-03.pdf)
Buell 1125R Daytona SportBike, SuperSport Allowed Min. Weight 365lbs.
Items allowed to be changed outside the rules:
Chain Drive Conversion Kit: Buell Race Part G0625.08AZ
Front Wheel: Buell Race Part G0110.08AZ SuperSport
Front Wheel, magnesium Buell Race Part G0110.04AH DSB
Rear Wheel, magnesium 17x5.75 Buell Race Part G0309.05AH DSB
Fork, Showa LH, future production: Buell Race Part J0122.09AZ
Fork, Showa RH, future production: Buell Race Part J0121.09AZ
Air Box: Buell Race Part P2215.08B2
Connecting Rod Bolts: Buell Race Part CA0034.09AZ
I could maybe see a double displacement advantage for the air-cooled 2-valve Buell motor, but not the Rotax.
Hacking suspended indefinitely, Mladin on probation. Apparently, Hacking used bad words, didn't get his progress report signed by his mom by the due date, and didn't share during recess.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35927 (http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35927)
mladin on probation for not signing autographs... lol...
The whole make the beast with two backsing thing just gets worse and worse. Conveniently, the main competition to the American made bike with a ridiculous advantage is now out for at least one race.
I want to read the news about the series because I'm interested in the riders but I've pretty much decided not to watch any of it on TV because it's just bullshit.
This season I'm watching:
* WSBK for good ole fashioned, paint-swappin' road racing;
* MotoGP for Rossi n' Stoner and to watch the midget flounder; and
* Maybe AMA (one week late), and then only to bear witness to the rolling trainwreck that is US road racing
Quote from: derby on March 23, 2009, 05:55:20 AM
http://www.amasuperbike.com/assets/AMAPro-CompBull-2009-03.pdf (http://www.amasuperbike.com/assets/AMAPro-CompBull-2009-03.pdf)
Buell 1125R Daytona SportBike, SuperSport Allowed Min. Weight 365lbs.
Items allowed to be changed outside the rules:
Chain Drive Conversion Kit: Buell Race Part G0625.08AZ
Front Wheel: Buell Race Part G0110.08AZ SuperSport
Front Wheel, magnesium Buell Race Part G0110.04AH DSB
Rear Wheel, magnesium 17x5.75 Buell Race Part G0309.05AH DSB
Fork, Showa LH, future production: Buell Race Part J0122.09AZ
Fork, Showa RH, future production: Buell Race Part J0121.09AZ
Air Box: Buell Race Part P2215.08B2
Connecting Rod Bolts: Buell Race Part CA0034.09AZ
are mag wheels not allowed on the 600s?
more to the point, weren't these bikes allowed in the past b/c they were air cooled? i don't understand how a 1125cc liquid-cooled twin with an
on the buell website claimed
stock HP of 146 is a reasonable class companion for a 600cc I4 that comes out of the showroom at about 105-110hp.
DMG not too smart. They just came up with a formula of 2400cc / # of cylinders and are sticking to it no matter what. I should run a 4.8 liter half-cylinder bike. [cheeky]
They're trying to manufacture close racing but that isn't actually close racing IMO. When you know the deck is stacked in favor of someone so that they're able to compete or even win in the case of Buell then we *know* that it's not fair. There are two ways of looking at fair and the DMG has gone the other way from what the AMA was trying to achieve.
they should have changed nothing for 2009 and done a LOT more due diligence before coming out with a rules package for 2010.
we were theoretically the laughing stock before, although i'm sure that had nothing changed this year that perception would have been lost in the wind given spies' trouncing of wsbk.
now we're such a joke as to be simply forgettable.
Agreed.
I think that they should have kept the 2008 rules this year and gone straight to exactly the same rules as WSBK/WSS for 2010. Less hassle in rule making and less hassle in worrying about different classes. Not sure why we need weird rules for everything in this country, are we really that special?
What kind of special though
(http://www.brainshavings.com/images/ShortBus.jpg)
My understanding is the class is hp limited, and weight restricted.
I guess the 600's are bone stock right?
They get no where near that hp level.
The other 5 Buells were in what place?
The Aprilias were where?
Where is the KTM?
What about the BMW ?
I think it is the rider.
You might be right, but his bike is on 'roids, so we'll never know for sure.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090321b.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090321b.htm)
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090322a.htm (http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Mar/e/n090322a.htm)
I'd buy the "it's the rider" argument if it wasn't such an out-there result. Eslick is pretty good but has never dominated. It's always a combination but comparing Hacking on the new 6R to Eslick on a 1125R Buell? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
give them 2 equally spec'd 600s and see what happens..
Quote from: Lars D on March 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
My understanding is the class is hp limited, and weight restricted.
no horsepower limit. there's a minimum weight for the 600s and the buell (365lbs), and the other twins (385lbs).
Quote from: Lars D on March 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
I guess the 600's are bone stock right?
nope.
Quote from: Lars D on March 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
They get no where near that hp level.
correct... and the 600s have half the torque.
Quote from: Lars D on March 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
The other 5 Buells were in what place?
somewhat irrelevant. barney is riding hurt. the others have... issues.
Quote from: Lars D on March 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
The Aprilias were where?
the aprilia squard is making progress. the buell rules make even less sense if you look at them in the context of the aprilia. the engine design in the ape is about 10 years old and produces (a lot) less power. so why does the buell get the displacement bump and the weight advantage?
Quote from: Lars D on March 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
Where is the KTM?
making little kids cry somewhere.
Quote from: Lars D on March 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
What about the BMW ?
i'm actually kinda bummed that there aren't a few hp2s out there. are they even on the homologation list? if so, maybe they'll show up for the other west coast rounds. (but given they weren't there for fontana, i doubt it.)
Quote from: Lars D on March 24, 2009, 01:42:29 AM
I think it is the rider.
not to take anything away from eslick, i wish he could've had his breakthrough win on a bike that didn't have a ~2x displacement + ~2x torque advantage. i like the kid (he's another cmra racer like spies, edwards, etc...), i just think that that dmg's technical regulations that math those bikes up are somewhat arbitrary.
(the season may prove otherwise)
Quote from: derby on March 24, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
somewhat arbitrary.
Superbike: 1000cc 4s, 1200cc twins
SportBike: 600cc 4s, 1125cc twins
uhhh
DMG is using that new math I've heard so much about.
Quote from: derby on March 24, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
making little kids cry somewhere.
[laugh] [clap] Nice!
Quote from: derby on March 24, 2009, 07:04:28 AM
i'm actually kinda bummed that there aren't a few hp2s out there. are they even on the homologation list? if so, maybe they'll show up for the other west coast rounds. (but given they weren't there for fontana, i doubt it.)
Parriot was at the AFM round this weekend. Probably will be out there for the sears round AMA.
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35951 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35951)
Did they make him go to bed without dinner too?
Quote from: Spidey on March 25, 2009, 06:47:50 PM
Did they make him go to bed without dinner too?
No...
but I heard from a reliable source...
that they whacked his pee pee really hard.
Same as they do in NASCAR. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on March 25, 2009, 07:43:30 PM
but I heard from a reliable source...
that they whacked his pee pee really hard.
Man, I usually have a promise a giant tip (no pun intended) to get that kinda treatment.
http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35970 (http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35970)