(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1253/5133950554_e64c49a7ba.jpg)
(http://hellforleathermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/MV-Agusta-F3-exhaust.jpg)
Source: http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/10/mv-agusta-f3-italy%e2%80%99s-675/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/10/mv-agusta-f3-italy%e2%80%99s-675/)
Sexy. [thumbsup]
I dig it, still in love with the 848 EVO though
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on October 31, 2010, 06:29:30 PM
I dig it, still in love with the 848 EVO though
So one of each?
That exhaust is incredibly sexy!
Doubt it makes it to production though. :-\
the lack of a front end pic leaves a bit of uncertainty on the table
Quote from: zarn02 on October 31, 2010, 06:30:34 PM
So one of each?
I like the MV, i'd stab my grandmother for an EVO
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on October 31, 2010, 07:32:20 PM
That exhaust is incredibly sexy!
Doubt it makes it to production though. :-\
I dont see a reason why it wouldn't it's kinda trademark MV at this point, and theres plenty of room for the cat under the fairing
Quote from: matt922 on October 31, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
the lack of a front end pic leaves a bit of uncertainty on the table
It'll look like a slightly pointer F4, just like the rest of it, it'll be a hot ride because it's an MV
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on October 31, 2010, 07:46:33 PM
It'll look like a slightly pointer F4, just like the rest of it, it'll be a hot ride because it's an MV
no doubt its a hot bike, just if it can beat the reigning beauty queen(848)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5044532473_b1bd31d81f.jpg)
From reading another article, MV is depending on this bike to bring the name out and expand their market. They intend to sell ~10k units in the first year of production, but I wonder if they even have the dealer network to sell that many.
Seems as if the price will be on par with the rest of the european supersports too
this was released in august, but if it's true....
Quote from: asphaltandrubber.comPricing for the MV Agusta F3 will start at â,¬9,000 with the sportier F3 costing between â,¬10,000-â,¬11,000. Some gorilla math on the A&R international pricing calculator computes those numbers to be just over $9,000 for the base model, and $10,500-$11,500 for the sport, which makes the new F3 a strong rival for the Triumph Daytona and undercuts the new Ducati 848 EVO considerably.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mv-agusta-f3-details/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mv-agusta-f3-details/)
i would be curious to learn its weight. the f4 is a pig.
Quote from: matt922 on October 31, 2010, 08:03:17 PM
no doubt its a hot bike, just if it can beat the reigning beauty queen(848)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5044532473_b1bd31d81f.jpg)
From reading another article, MV is depending on this bike to bring the name out and expand their market. They intend to sell ~10k units in the first year of production, but I wonder if they even have the dealer network to sell that many.
Seems as if the price will be on par with the rest of the european supersports too
this was released in august, but if it's true....
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mv-agusta-f3-details/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mv-agusta-f3-details/)
I've never really found any MV prettier than the ducati that was put out at the same time
It wont be prettier than the evo's...those things are sex
I definitely dont see them selling any where near 10k either
Quote from: xcaptainxbloodx on October 31, 2010, 08:09:10 PM
i would be curious to learn its weight. the f4 is a pig.
yea it is, and it had me pointed so far down than the one I took home from the shop i worked at (15 miles of twisties) I was looking so far up just to see the road that my neck bugged me for 2 days after. I was really disappointed by ho make the beast with two backsing heavy it was after all those years of dreaming.
That bike is pretty hot. Hope to see one in person.
oh geez.. that is one awesome looking bike, much better than the 848.
if its dimensions are as small as they are taughting then this may be the bike that saves mvagusta.
the exhaust will have to be seen in person but it isn't nearly as bad as the prototype pictures
wonder why they are going with the cable actutated clutch instead of hydraulic?
Like!! [drool]
If it undercuts the 848 on pricing.. they're going to outsell the Ducati, no doubt.
Quote from: Raux on October 31, 2010, 11:18:47 PM
If it undercuts the 848 on pricing.. they're going to outsell the Ducati, no doubt.
You think? Maybe..in Europe.
How many MV Augusta dealers are in the US? I know of Miami, Bellevue & Tucson. They don't sell them in Phoenix anymore. Of course, there are more MV dealers than that but not many compared to Ducati. It's enough work getting a Duc serviced if you're not in a major city let alone an MV.
^^^^got one here [thumbsup]
Quote from: matt922 on October 31, 2010, 08:03:17 PM
From reading another article, MV is depending on this bike to bring the name out and expand their market. They intend to sell ~10k units in the first year of production, but I wonder if they even have the dealer network to sell that many.
Seems as if the price will be on par with the rest of the european supersports too
typical Castiglioni bullshitting. they haven't sold 10k units of motorcycles in their lifetimes, except when they owned Ducati.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2010, 06:23:12 AM
typical Castiglioni bullshitting. they haven't sold 10k units of motorcycles in their lifetimes, except when they owned Ducati.
You are right. I love this bike so far and i have a dealer in town. However, even if this new bike is significantly lighter, more powerful and the same price as competitors like Ducati & Triumph it wouldn't sell 1,000 units. I guess the Castiglioni's have to be optimistic to attract investors and potential dealer.
Quote from: Travman on November 01, 2010, 06:51:25 AM
You are right. I love this bike so far and i have a dealer in town. However, even if this new bike is significantly lighter, more powerful and the same price as competitors like Ducati & Triumph it wouldn't sell 1,000 units. I guess the Castiglioni's have to be optimistic to attract investors and potential dealer.
i think the main thing is dealers and also pricing and performace. if like you say the bike is lighter but just as powerful and same price as as the big 3 and they can market the italian flair a bit then i see it selling a ton of bikes way more than 1000, maybe not 10k in the first year but somewhere close to 1/2 way there in a year.
the same 800 people who bought an F4 will look at this. (in the USA).
but people outside of the major cities in the USA will look and move on to a more common brand, with a dealer network.
Look at us: Ducati is the biggest italian seller in the USA and we have dealer problems. (Naw, Dooocahti ain't replacing tanks unless theyz leakin'.. stop readin' on that there innnernet!)
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2010, 06:59:21 AM
the same 800 people who bought an F4 will look at this. (in the USA).
but people outside of the major cities in the USA will look and move on to a more common brand, with a dealer network.
Look at us: Ducati is the biggest italian seller in the USA and we have dealer problems. (Naw, Dooocahti ain't replacing tanks unless theyz leakin'.. stop readin' on that there innnernet!)
I'm pretty interested in it. Sub 10k price tag makes it all the more appealing. [thumbsup]
Quote from: sbrguy on November 01, 2010, 06:54:27 AM
i think the main thing is dealers and also pricing and performace. if like you say the bike is lighter but just as powerful and same price as as the big 3 and they can market the italian flair a bit then i see it selling a ton of bikes way more than 1000, maybe not 10k in the first year but somewhere close to 1/2 way there in a year.
I bet MV didn't sell 50 bikes in the U.S. last year. In their best year this century they didn't sell more than a couple of hundred. MV sells a fraction of what Guzzi sells, which is a fraction of what Ducati sells. They could sell more someday, but it will take a couple years of building.
i have to agree with you there its probalby mainly because mv is still in the "ferrari" way of thinking of selling nothing but exclusive high priced bikes, afterallwhen their naked "entry level" bike is 15k to start that is not going to sell many.
wasn't ducati like that years ago until they realized they had to put out a cheaper entry point bike to basically make all their money and then they can still make their super exclusive bike, ie. 1098r, d16.
doesn't ducati make all its money on the lower priced monster mainly the 696?
i can see mv doing something like this by making the f3 and a similar brutale and then they would finally have a few entry point bikes to stand on to keep the compnay from going bankrupt again.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2010, 06:59:21 AM
the same 800 people who bought an F4 will look at this. (in the USA).
but people outside of the major cities in the USA will look and move on to a more common brand, with a dealer network.
Actually, i was reading an MV forum post about the F3, and seemed like half the F4 owners were pregnant doging because they looked practically identical.
If this bike is as small as they are bragging about and has a short ride height(~31.5ish inches), i may not have a choice come 2012 when the bike comes out [moto]
Quote from: El Matador on November 01, 2010, 07:10:57 AM
I'm pretty interested in it. Sub 10k price tag makes it all the more appealing. [thumbsup]
This and the fact that it is more rare than a Ducati makes me want it.
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 01, 2010, 09:44:59 AM
This and the fact that it is more rare than a Ducati makes me want it.
a picture of me taking a dump is rare, want one?
Me like, me no buy.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2010, 10:00:27 AM
a picture of me taking a dump is rare, want one?
I have always wanted a photo of you taking a dump, but have been too scared to ask. :-*
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 01, 2010, 10:52:56 AM
I have always wanted a photo of you taking a dump, but have been too scared to ask. :-*
shoot me your email. this one's on me.
Not sure if anyone posted this:
Quote“The pricing is already decided. The price will be â,¬11,500, which is in direct competition with the rivals [the 128bhp Triumph Daytona 675 retails for â,¬11,590 in Italy]. There is a small premium because an MV is a rich bike, but with all the competition between â,¬10,500 and â,¬11,200, we’re not far above. It is a really competitive price for an MV.â€
I assume that's with VAT included. But that doesn't translate into what they'd sell it in the USA for.
I imagine in the 10-11k range.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2010, 11:05:17 AM
shoot me your email. this one's on me.
Know I WILL post the photo on the forum, regardless of consequences.
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 01, 2010, 11:06:46 AM
Know I WILL post the photo on the forum, regardless of consequences.
You have no guarantee its me.
No one has a photo of me, thus far. I might be incorporeal. A Turing Machine. Or I might be Gisele Bundchen's twin. With a penis.
Say, does HD still own MV? Could they become the distributor for the 10k units?
Quote from: ducatiz on November 01, 2010, 11:11:56 AM
You have no guarantee its me.
No one has a photo of me, thus far. I might be incorporeal. A Turing Machine. Or I might be Gisele Bundchen's twin. With a penis.
I always assumed you were either the kid or the alpaca.
I like it [thumbsup] i hope its sub$10k
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 01, 2010, 11:19:38 AM
I always assumed you were either the kid or the alpaca.
I'm the fat lady in the background.
Quote from: akmnstr on November 01, 2010, 11:19:20 AM
Say, does HD still own MV? Could they become the distributor for the 10k units?
HD sold MV/Cagiva back to the Castiglioni family for a loss last year.
Quote from: akmnstr on November 01, 2010, 11:19:20 AM
Say, does HD still own MV? Could they become the distributor for the 10k units?
Sold back to Castigiloni for 1 euro a couple months ago. HD paid off their debt and invested in the company by updating the F4 and Brutale. So they are essentially starting with a clean slate.
Quote from: Travman on November 01, 2010, 11:48:15 AM
No, sold back to Castigiloni for 1 euro a couple months ago.
No, it was worse than that!
http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/LATEST+NEWS/MV-Agusta-sale-Harley-Davidson-paid-Castiglioni-eu/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/683893 (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/LATEST+NEWS/MV-Agusta-sale-Harley-Davidson-paid-Castiglioni-eu/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/683893)
QuoteHarley-Davidson paid Claudio Castiglioni â,¬20 million to take MV Agusta back, and then forgave a â,¬103.7 million loan that The Motor Co. made to MV Agusta while they were under common corporate ownership, according to documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).
At the time of the sale, which closed Aug. 6, the exchange rate was roughly 0.75 euro to US$1. So the deal cost Harley-Davidson about $136 million at closing.
According to SEC documents, H-D “received nominal consideration in return for the transfer of MV and related assets,†yet put â,¬20 million into an escrow account for MV Agusta Motor Holding, the company Castiglioni set up to buy it back. MV Agusta will draw the funds out over a year. Harley-Davidson spokesman Bob Klein confirmed the “nominal consideration†was â,¬3, a little under US$4.
In addition, the sale and purchase agreement, signed July 31, specifies that H-D will forgive a â,¬103,789,617.60 receivable.
Wow that sucks for HD. I understand they were stuck with the debt, but why pay someone else to take the company. Why not just shut it down like they did Buell?
probably would have hurt their Italian market...
in america, killing Buell, was something I think most HD wanted
the big question is now that they essentially a clean slate, are they going to actually do something with it and make a profitable company or not?
they really do need a cheaper bike, droves of people aren't buying motorcycles in general much less 20k dollar ones
I bet HD retained something- part ownership, distributorships, technology rights, etc. Castiglionis are slippery like that.
Quote from: El Matador on November 01, 2010, 07:10:57 AM
I'm pretty interested in it. Sub 10k price tag makes it all the more appealing. [thumbsup]
Which will be great: you can work on it! (Who else would?)
I like this, not more than the 848 evo though.
Swing!
Knocking another exhaust design out of the park!
Front view
http://www.mvagusta.it/ (http://www.mvagusta.it/)
Scroll down to the bottom for more images
Clean and nice job on the exhaust.
Quote from: iRam on November 01, 2010, 05:04:45 PM
Front view
http://www.mvagusta.it/ (http://www.mvagusta.it/)
Scroll down to the bottom for more images
Ohhhh... so sexy.
Still though, a perl 848 is #1 for teh sex.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/5137747377_dea533ff5e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53552881@N03/5137747377/)
F3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53552881@N03/5137747377/#)
A stock exhaust I like? Say it isn't so!
JM
want. want. want.
this, and the new 125 aprilia 2 smoker...
one day
way sexier than the daytona [drool]
How much do you think I can get from selling a kidney?
Daddy likes!
You'd think Ducati would notice that it is possible to make a stock exhaust that doesn't look like ass.
Quote from: 77south on November 02, 2010, 09:13:53 AM
You'd think Ducati would notice that it is possible to make a stock exhaust that doesn't look like ass.
It's so we are forced to buy the termi setup...
(http://www.mvagusta.it/uploads/Y1/SN/Y1SN-xygR0CaKBx2tRSShA/F3_001.jpg)
Nice! I wonder if it would be hard to do that to the Daytona exhaust.... [thumbsup]
interestings i guess they have to go with that exhaust bc of all the fuel emmisions requirements now, i doubt that each pipe goes to a dedicated cylinder, probably more like all three come out of the same cat on teh bottom and just split off, sort of how the diavel looks with the twin pipes that appear to come out of one single pipe at the bottom.
Quote from: Veloce-Fino on November 02, 2010, 09:38:56 AM
It's so we are forced to buy the termi setup...
yep. Ducati is ahead of the game. More $$$ for the company when they keep putting hideous looking stock pipes.
Absolutely beautiful.
I'd have a tough time choosing between this and the 848. If the price is between the Daytona and the 848, they could sell as many as they bring to the US.
MV Sales Figures for Italy (I'm guessing they have a few MV dealers there).
qty - model
37 - Brutale 1090
27 - Brutale 990R
couldn't find numbers on the F4
Number 2 on the list? Kawi Z750!
Here's the link: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/italian-sales-figures-show-insight-fz8/ (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/italian-sales-figures-show-insight-fz8/)
I read in another article that Harley wanted MV to be a 10k bike/year company. Now that the family has it back, they said that would dilute the name "like other companies are currently doing". They said currently they sell about 400 bikes a year. They would like to see 1,000 bikes a year with the addition of the F3.
Its agreat looking bike and from what i hear it works really well.....BUT !.....it has a major problem The Triumph 675 is so good and the MV has to compete on price or it will not get a look in as the triumph is so similar and cheap.
Quote from: matt922 on November 02, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
I read in another article that Harley wanted MV to be a 10k bike/year company. Now that the family has it back, they said that would dilute the name "like other companies are currently doing". They said currently they sell about 400 bikes a year. They would like to see 1,000 bikes a year with the addition of the F3.
If they can iron out parts/support issues, there's no reason why this wouldn't be able to sell a 1000 units itself in a year, especially at the 10k price point.
People will be hard pressed to buy, if they can't find a dealer, and/or a mechanic who knows the mv engines and their idiosyncrasies
Quote from: jerryz on November 02, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
Its agreat looking bike and from what i hear it works really well.....BUT !.....it has a major problem The Triumph 675 is so good and the MV has to compete on price or it will not get a look in as the triumph is so similar and cheap.
the triumph has a flaw in that it's not an MV though
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on November 02, 2010, 08:23:34 PM
the triumph has a flaw in that it's not an MV though
and its made in Thailand...
Quote from: ducatiz on November 02, 2010, 08:34:34 PM
and its made in Thailand...
As are Nikon and Sony Digital SLR's
Hondas, toyotas, Volvos
pretty much everything seagate makes
parts for triumph
...point being?
It's not like thailand only bouncyballs, wax lips and ipad knockoffs
it was designed in italy, which is the important part
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on November 02, 2010, 09:04:20 PM
As are Nikon and Sony Digital SLR's
Hondas, toyotas, Volvos
pretty much everything seagate makes
parts for triumph
...point being?
It's not like thailand only bouncyballs, wax lips and ipad knockoffs
it was designed in italy, which is the important part
my volvo was made at gothenberg
triumph keeps the UK bikes at Hinckley, but worldwide bikes come out of Thailand.
doesn't have the same feel for me.
Last Nikon I bought was an F2SB. All the pro stuff is still made in Japan.
When a company has high end stuff, they make it at home. like porsche or ducati.
Quote from: ducatiz on November 02, 2010, 09:15:56 PM
my volvo was made at gothenberg
triumph keeps the UK bikes at Hinckley, but worldwide bikes come out of Thailand.
doesn't have the same feel for me.
Last Nikon I bought was an F2SB. All the pro stuff is still made in Japan.
When a company has high end stuff, they make it at home. like porsche or ducati.
Triumph keeps the Triples in house. Daytona, Street, Speed all in the UK
the rest is Thai. I love how all the bonnie/thruxton people are all up on their bikes being british....and they're more thai
Quote from: Paper5tr3et7 on November 02, 2010, 09:04:20 PM
Volvos
Currently the only ones made there are for their own consumption. Current models for NA/EU are made in sweden and belgium.
back on topic..
even though the triumph is designed in england, it still looks kinda like a japanese bike(IMO). Italians always do the more risque designs. Not to mention that italian soul for the price of a soulless jap bike
Quote from: mattc7 on November 02, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
Triumph keeps the Triples in house. Daytona, Street, Speed all in the UK
the rest is Thai. I love how all the bonnie/thruxton people are all up on their bikes being british....and they're more thai
engines, yes. second thai factory is assembling triples with pre-built engines and frames. triumph gets to keep the "built in england" designation in the VIN because the rules only required a finished engine put into a frame.
I like this view a lot. I like what I can see of the swingarm.
(http://www.motorcycledaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/110110middle-730x511.jpg)
I like the swingarm especially the cut-outs.
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/2011-MV-Agusta-F3-2.jpg)
The F3 will have a counter-rotating crankshaft, a feature never offered in a production supersport prior to this time according to MV. What exactly is a counter-rotating crank and why is this a good thing for handling?
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/mv-agusta-unveils-new-f3-675cc-triple/ (http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/mv-agusta-unveils-new-f3-675cc-triple/)
What exactly is a counter-rotating crank and why is this a good thing for handling?
The crank spins from front to back, (like on the M1 Yamaha) I read something about the reason it was meant to be better for handling but cant quite remember. Something along the lines that because the crank is spinning backwards and opposite to to the wheels it helps with braking, balance and handling, Ill try and find the artical.
Don
I've got to say it looks Japanese to me, take the stickers off and paint it one colour I wouldn't know what brand it was.
Don
"This years bike also spins the crank in the opposite direction to some previous versions. This seems to have been done to reduce inertia and allow the bike to be turned into corners more rapidly."
http://www.maclean-nj.com/2002motogpengines.htm (http://www.maclean-nj.com/2002motogpengines.htm)
Quote from: The Don on November 03, 2010, 07:34:49 PM
I've got to say it looks Japanese to me, take the stickers off and paint it one colour I wouldn't know what brand it was.
Don
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa91/chiflado/MV-Agusta-F3-3.jpg)
kopfjäger ^
Point well taken.
Anybody wanna buy a Hyper?
Quote from: The Don on November 03, 2010, 07:34:49 PM
I've got to say it looks Japanese to me, take the stickers off and paint it one colour I wouldn't know what brand it was.
Don
but that can be said about any modern sportbike now, even the 1098 bodystyle everyone thought was japanese.
what you should be saying is all modern sportbikes still look like a 916, since that was really the first sportbike to really look like the modern designs.
Was plannin on adding a cruiser to my stable in 2 years but after seeing the f3... The cruiser will have to wait. Love the sound of the triumph triples, hope this one will sound as great or better.
Production of the F3 has begun
MV Agusta - Produzione F3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCVRxCeFHk&feature=player_embedded#)
Fake video
I didn't see one guy smoking. Not one.
I was a bit underwhelmed when I saw it in person at the NYC Motorcycle Show...perhaps it was the all white color scheme.
[evil] The guy behind the camera was probably smoking a fag. If he was Italian, that is. That is one hot looking and sounding bike. I wish I was 30 years younger so I could actually ride one!
Quote from: CDawg on February 06, 2012, 12:57:24 PM
I was a bit underwhelmed when I saw it in person at the NYC Motorcycle Show...perhaps it was the all white color scheme.
I saw the white one in D.C. I know these pictures aren't the best, but I thought it was impressive in white. Although I do prefer the blood red color with the gold wheels of the F3's in the video.
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/JonTravisKing/a135c002.jpg?t=1326646524)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm21/JonTravisKing/41aba4b5.jpg?t=1326646527)
Quote from: Raux on October 31, 2010, 11:18:47 PM
If it undercuts the 848 on pricing.. they're going to outsell the Ducati, no doubt.
What he said! If these things actually sell inthe 10k us dollar range.. These things are going to sell like hotcakes.
Quote from: polivo on February 06, 2012, 05:52:02 PM
What he said! If these things actually sell inthe 10k us dollar range.. These things are going to sell like hotcakes.
Asphalt and Rubber says the base F3 will cost $13,495.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/mv-agusta-f3-production-video/#more-27998 (http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/mv-agusta-f3-production-video/#more-27998)