There is the opportunity to exchange my 06 S2R 1k that has 10.000 km (6.000 miles) for a 96 916 Senna. Lets suppose there is no money back from either side. A simple exchange.
My actual status: a love my bike, dedicated a lot of time building it the way I like. But always loved the Senna since it was lauched. I like the better sitting position of the monster and like to ride 300km (200miles) on saturdays.
But my wife is now pregnant and for the next years I will not ride as offen as I do today. And my wife will not ride with me for the next years, as she does sometimes today.
What do you guys think??? Is it a good or bad deal?
S2R1k for a 916 Senna???
just as reference: my bike (exbox, clipons, matris damper, barends, etc)
(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll39/monstro76/DSC02595.jpg)
How many miles on the 916?
Have the rockers been replaced?
Quote from: wbeck257 on July 14, 2008, 05:55:00 PM
How many miles on the 916?
Have the rockers been replaced?
It has arround 10.000 miles. Everything is original.
Two thousand miles you'll need a (more expensive) 4v service.
And belts.
And then you have the rocker issue. Good chance that they are bad and need to be replaced. There is another couple thousand.
So, otherwise, no -- I'd keep your good looking S2R.
Personally I woudnt. But that is me. You know the condition and history of your bike; its quirks, positives and negatives, but most of all... its hassle free. Nothing is worse then getting the raw end of a deal that you wish you never made.
mighty fine looking 2v monster you got there...
thought it was mine for a second.
keep it
can I have the address of the guy with the 916?
I agree with all of you, specially knowing that my bike is in really good shape and condition.
But consider this: The Senna is from a friend of mine, and I know he takes better care of that bike than anything else he has. He is the 2nd owner.
The Senna is number 100 of 300, which means it is a collectors bike, and will keep its value much more than a S2R.
Ahhhh! I really don't know! [bang]
Quote from: ducpainter on July 14, 2008, 07:03:20 PM
can I have the address of the guy with the 916?
It's in Brazil
I'd have the rockers looked at first. even if you shell out the $ for it it might save you big in the long run on operability if you plan to ride it.
Now as for the proposed trade.....
Your bike can be replaced in it's exact condition at any moments notice. You know how.....you did it. You know what it would cost, to a rough measure anyways.
The bike value is in the eye of the beholder. limited edition collectors bikes are often garage queens because people are afraid to ride them. Will you be able to enjoy a bike you see as "collectable"? how about ride it?
Do you have pockets that can replace parts with OE parts if they fail, brake, get broken so that it retains it's value?
From experience having something that you are afraid to lose, or wreck is not really worth it to me, I like to enjoy my toys on the road/dirt/water not my garage, I don't make that kind of $ or have that kind of time.
the rocker issue really isn't a deal breaker since ducati dropped their prices and practically give them away now.
if you want a collector bike, go for it. however, the only thing that makes a senna "special" is the name and the plaque. other than that, it's just a regular ol' 916.
given your assessment of you riding future, an unpractical bike wouldn't be out of the question. if you think you'll be happy w/ the trade (and are up for owning a 12 year old, finicky italian sportbike) go for it.
If I think with no emotion, the best choice is to keep my bike, since it runs better, it is much newer and it is much more fun to ride, since it handles much easier.
But from the emotional side, the Senna is a classic bike (although nothing special besides de name and the plate and derby remembered), my dream bike since I was 19 years old, and named after a Brazilian God (from brasilians point of view, of course). Eventualy, in the long run, it can be more valuable than my S2R. But who knows...
I will think better, and let you know when I decide.
Thank you very much for your suggestions. They did helped me!
Since I have a 996 and the same s2r1k as you, Id say if you can keep the monster and add to your collection with a 'special' bike ,then go for it. ... just having the 916 - when your situation changes (and it will) you may want to revert back to a more practical everyday ride. But the Tamburini is a timeless design- sooooo sexy. And I must admit my other bike is at times WAY MORE fun than my monster- but theyre two different styles of bike.
If its the power your after, theres the s4rs ( and mod it of course!!)
Best of luck!
If you decide not to get it.Where is it in Brasil? I do a lot of work there and would love to buy a bike there to ride.
Quote from: muscle_cars_only on July 14, 2008, 08:50:24 PM
If you decide not to get it.Where is it in Brasil? I do a lot of work there and would love to buy a bike there to ride.
I will let you know if I dont take it. It is in Sao Paulo.
please do.........Sao Paulo is roughly 3 hours away from where I work in Angra dos Reis.
See if you can take the 916 for an hour's ride.
Ride it a little bit in the city too, see if you enjoy the bike enough to deal with that.
They're not so friendly in heavy, slow traffic.
Quote from: Monstro on July 14, 2008, 05:41:40 PM
There is the opportunity to exchange my 06 S2R 1k that has 10.000 km (6.000 miles) for a 96 916 Senna. Lets suppose there is no money back from either side. A simple exchange.
My actual status: a love my bike, dedicated a lot of time building it the way I like. But always loved the Senna since it was lauched. I like the better sitting position of the monster and like to ride 300km (200miles) on saturdays.
But my wife is now pregnant and for the next years I will not ride as offen as I do today. And my wife will not ride with me for the next years, as she does sometimes today.
What do you guys think??? Is it a good or bad deal?
S2R1k for a 916 Senna???
just as reference: my bike (exbox, clipons, matris damper, barends, etc)
I'd keep the S2R
Keep the monster
The "value" of the bikes is very subjective, and really only if you keep the miles low and wait 20+ years. Parts are going to be easier to find for the newer bike. The uncomfortable heat from the 916 exhaust is a consideration -- does it get hot in Brazil? (haha)
I'm thinking about getting rid of my M750 and 998 for a S2R1K, so I say keep the Monster!
You're all getting close to convincing me!
Even if I go for it, your replies will make me thougher in the negotiation!
And I appreciate very much! Thanks! [thumbsup]
I can't believe this is so lopsided in favor of the monster. your s2r is nice but this is one out of 300 and it's a dream bike. yeah the monster is more practical and prolly more reliable but it sounds like the perfect time in your life for this to be your primary bike. these bikes shouldn't be in the hands of curators and collectors-- they need to be ridden. A couple years down the road pick up another monster. I couldn't do an sbk for a primary bike because I commute plus I can't seem to keep it upright.
but, yeah take it for a test ride see if you can live with it.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Ducati_916_Senna.jpg/800px-Ducati_916_Senna.jpg)
If it is truly a "Senna" version...I would have already done the deal.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on July 16, 2008, 09:56:30 AM
If it is truly a "Senna" version...I would have already done the deal.
YEAH, its the first Senna version.
The negotiation takes time. Lets see what happens...
oooohhhh the 916 senna... my fist love based on lust alone!
if you plan on riding a lot... stick with the S2R. Less likely to cost you and arm and a leg down the line... just an arm and a few toes
i'd go for the 916... don't see many of those around
No brainer on this one -- Senna 916. Collector I know just paid $22K for a zero mileage one for his museum. He has another one he rides on occasion.
Are you kidding me?!?! Talk about no brianer! There's a reason muscle_cars_only is itchin to get the address of your friend. #100 Senna 916 is something you keep forever!!! Most people today don't care about the history, heritage, and emotion of a bike(or a car for that matter), but anyone who knows the story behind the Senna will say the same thing. You can buy another S2R or other modern Ducati anytime, coming across a bike like that is much MUCH harder. Hell, #175 pictured above is in a museum for God's sake!
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on July 16, 2008, 09:56:30 AM
If it is truly a "Senna" version...I would have already done the deal.
+1
No contest for me. Monsters are a dime a dozen in comparison.
Dawm! I just lost the deal. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
My fried sold the Senna to another one that gave him more cash back than what I offered. [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
Hope that this has happend to my best.
I told him, if one day he buys a 1098 Tricolore and wants to sell it, to talk to me first before closing the deal with anyone!!! ;D
But I am still in love with my baby S2R1K. And the money I would spend on the Senna, is going to make my beautiful baby more beautiful and exclusive!!! [thumbsup] [moto]
Thanks for your opinions on this thread!
Quote from: Dareduc on July 18, 2008, 10:25:17 PM
my fist love based on lust alone!
what a poor choice of words.
Quote from: Monstro on July 25, 2008, 11:43:43 PM
Dawm! I just lost the deal. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
My fried sold the Senna to another one that gave him more cash back than what I offered. [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang] [bang]
Hope that this has happend to my best.
I told him, if one day he buys a 1098 Tricolore and wants to sell it, to talk to me first before closing the deal with anyone!!! ;D
But I am still in love with my baby S2R1K. And the money I would spend on the Senna, is going to make my beautiful baby more beautiful and exclusive!!! [thumbsup] [moto]
Thanks for your opinions on this thread!
Fabio,
sorry to hear that you lost her!! -- with the cost of toys in BR im curious what it eventually went for?
eu vou para SP em abril e eu quero ainda um camiseta do Ducati Brasil.... vc acha que e possivel? eu posso trazer alguma coisa que voce quer...
abracos,
Alexandre
Hey man, whats up? pm'ed you regarding trip to Brazil.
Toys are unbelivebly expensive here. Everything like that are at least the double of the price in US. This one costed to the new owner a 2008 Multistrada 1100 plus US$ 5.000 in our currency.
Considering that here a Multistrada costs around US$ 31.000, this Senna was sold for US$ 36.000. :o :o :o
A new MV F4 Senna costs around US$ 87.000. :o :o :o (but not too many are sold)
The 999 Xerox has list price of US$75.000 :o :o :o (a few was sold)
The Desmosedici has the list price of US$ 120.000. (I ve heard two are sold, waiting for delievery)
But of course not everything is like that. Food is cheap. Sun and beach are for free, and pretty girls are included in the package. [cheeky]
Quote from: Monstro on July 14, 2008, 05:41:40 PM
I like the better sitting position of the monster and like to ride 300km (200miles) on saturdays.
Once you get used to the riding position, 200 miles isn't a problem. I often ride 300-400 miles of twisty roads in a day without too much problem on my 748 with stock ergos (no bar risers).
Quote from: wbeck257 on July 14, 2008, 05:55:00 PM
Have the rockers been replaced?
I know the 1995 bikes are supposed to be immune and have heard that some '96 bikes are also. it was around '96 IIRC when Ducati started farming out the chrome plating to a different vendor.
Quote from: wbeck257 on July 14, 2008, 06:46:21 PM
Two thousand miles you'll need a (more expensive) 4v service.
And belts.
And then you have the rocker issue.
if you do the service yourself, the 4V service can be fairly inexpensive and that year 916 has Bucci belts available at a low price through places such as www.ca-cycleworks.com
Quote from: derby on July 14, 2008, 07:57:05 PM
the rocker issue really isn't a deal breaker since ducati dropped their prices and practically give them away now.
The price break on the rockers was only in the USA. Due to so many claims, they dropped the price to $45 each and quit exchanging them on warranty. Last spring, Ducati raised the prices fo the rockers back to $26-$280 EACH and have stated that there will no longer be any good-will exchanges because the bikes are too old. Most people go with Megacycle rockers, which tend to be around $79-$89 per rocker for a replate.
Quote from: Speeddog on July 15, 2008, 12:01:23 AM
Ride it a little bit in the city too, see if you enjoy the bike enough to deal with that.
They're not so friendly in heavy, slow traffic.
My 748 will hit 200-degrees F in no time.....but so will my ST2, and the wife's R1, and.....On a really hot day in the mountain twisties and getting it's neck wrung out, my 748 will go over 200 degrees even it going 40 mph behind slow traffic. I don't think any liquid-cooled bike really likes being in traffic........most air-cooled bikes don't really have temp gauges or indicators to let you know if they are hot or not.
Quote from: Monstro on July 25, 2008, 11:43:43 PM
Dawm! I just lost the deal.
Probably not really a bad thing......something even better may come along later. ;)