Quote from: Bladecutter on October 02, 2013, 03:25:03 PM
Or, run him over with an SUV.

Quote from: hbliam on October 02, 2013, 02:37:18 PM
Traffic violations individually also mean nothing to me. His record as a whole does. It shows a clear disregard for the laws that regulate the driving safety of the public. So when you have a situation where you need to determine if this suspect was likely involved in illegal activity that endangered the safety of others drivers you would of course add his driving history into the equation.

Does the guy deserve to be run over because he has speeding tickets on his record? Of course not. Does he deserve to be run over when he is part of a mob that is threatening great bodily harm to a man, his wife and child and he is blocking their path of escape? Absolutely. It matters not if he got off his bike to "help", he's part of the mob, he in the roadway illegally on foot, and he's in the way.

It's impossible to look at all the available information and conclude anything but the moto riders brought all this on themselves and should be held liable both criminally and civilly for their actions.

THIS.

Quote from: ungeheuer on October 02, 2013, 02:48:01 PM
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Enlighten me as to the complexities that lead to becoming above the law... 

What? You didn't get George Zimmerman coverage down under?

I can hear the tumblers rattling.

 

Quote from: Pedro-bot on October 02, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
What? You didn't get George Zimmerman coverage down under?

If he rode a motorcycle like a crazed hooligan, disqualified from doing so and in flagrant disregard for the law then I'd suggest he be dealt with by the justice system accordingly.

And if he drove his Range Rover over a disqualified hooligan illegally riding a motorcycle in crazed disregard for the law, I'd suggest he be dealt with by the justice system accordingly.

Quote from: ungeheuer on October 02, 2013, 04:57:48 PM
If he rode a motorcycle like a crazed hooligan, disqualified from doing so and in flagrant disregard for the law then I'd suggest he be dealt with by the justice system accordingly.

And if he drove his Range Rover over a disqualified hooligan illegally riding a motorcycle in crazed disregard for the law, I'd suggest he be dealt with by the justice system accordingly.

So was that a yes or a no?

Quote from: Pedro-bot on October 02, 2013, 05:27:56 PM
So was that a yes or a no?

It was neither.

I like the DMF, and your question leads down a path I'm not prepared to go 

Quote from: ducpainter on October 02, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
I can hear the tumblers rattling.

IBTL

This was your question.

Quote from: ungeheuer on October 02, 2013, 02:48:01 PM
Enlighten me as to the complexities that lead to becoming above the law... 

This was mine.

Quote from: Pedro-bot on October 02, 2013, 04:31:29 PM
What? You didn't get George Zimmerman coverage down under?

Quote from: ungeheuer on October 02, 2013, 06:28:44 PM
It was neither.

I like the DMF, and your question leads down a path I'm not prepared to go 

I'm not bating you.

Just too lazy to explain the complexities in detail.
But let me give it a shot anyways.

Here's the parallel I was drawing.

The Martin and Zimmerman was/is a fascinating legal case.
It's anecdotal evidence that there in fact are situations that lead to persons acting "above the law."
Did Zimmerman make Martin feel harassed, threatened or fearful by following him? Did he feel his life was in jeopardy.

If you watched that case, the defense for Zimmerman presented evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman.
At what point does the aggressor become the victim? Was Zimmerman even an aggressor even to begin with?
These are all questions that were raised in that trial.

Complexities.

I think much of the same basic questions go unanswered in this SUV vs a group of disorderly motorcyclists. A lot is still unknown. Who was the aggressor? The guy getting crushed by the 4,000lb $70k SUV?

There's too many people out there pulling out that "my life was threatened" card and expecting everyone to take them at their word.

Until we know ALL the facts, we're just speculating.
And yes, I'm including myself in that lot.

My only reason for posting is that it irritates me when I read people expressing opinion dressed as fact.
And then pissing on anyone that questions their logic.

And I like the DMF too.
But I don't like  from strangers. So please keep your  to ungeheuerself.

I am pleased to see this thread remain civil and respectful.

Quote from: Pedro-bot on October 02, 2013, 07:34:33 PM
This was your question.

This was mine.




I'm not bating you.

Just too lazy to explain the complexities in detail.
But let me give it a shot anyways.

Here's the parallel I was drawing.

The Martin and Zimmerman was/is a fascinating legal case.
It's anecdotal evidence that there in fact are situations that lead to persons acting "above the law."
Did Zimmerman make Martin feel harassed, threatened or fearful by following him? Did he feel his life was in jeopardy.

If you watched that case, the defense for Zimmerman presented evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman.
At what point does the aggressor become the victim? Was Zimmerman even an aggressor even to begin with?
These are all questions that were raised in that trial.

Complexities.

I think much of the same basic questions go unanswered in this SUV vs a group of disorderly motorcyclists. A lot is still unknown. Who was the aggressor? The guy getting crushed by the 4,000lb $70k SUV?

There's too many people out there pulling out that "my life was threatened" card and expecting everyone to take them at their word.

Until we know ALL the facts, we're just speculating.
And yes, I'm including myself in that lot.

My only reason for posting is that it irritates me when I read people expressing opinion dressed as fact.
And then pissing on anyone that questions their logic.

And I like the DMF too.
But I don't like  from strangers. So please keep your  to ungeheuerself.

I am pleased to see this thread remain civil and respectful.

Quote from: ducpainter on October 02, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
I can hear the tumblers rattling.

I guess you didn't take that as a warning.

Rather than answer the slew of pm's...

we don't do legal cases...because most of them are just political bullshit...and we don't do politics.

Bringing the Zimmerman thing into this, which IMO is exactly baiting, will go nowhere other than downhill...into politics and law.

The tumblers rattling were in the lock.