What I would like to know is whether the rule they were given included the sentence "the penalty for failure to comply will be a black flag," or if that call was made on the fly?

What a cluster.

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Tough end to the season for Scott Redding also.

I am not trying to defend MM here >
So if MM was penalised for doing one extra lap in the first session
why was Pedrosa not penalised for doing an extra lap in the second as he must of by pitting on lap nine in the first ?

Quote from: Two dogs on October 20, 2013, 10:23:29 PM
I am not trying to defend MM here >
So if MM was penalised for doing one extra lap in the first session
why was Pedrosa not penalised for doing an extra lap in the second as he must of by pitting on lap nine in the first ?

Only 19 laps, so he did 9 and 10.

Quote from: Triple J on October 20, 2013, 05:12:20 PM
Interesting article...HRC didn't miscount laps in leaving MM out, they were reading one part of the rule differently...and either ignoring or missing a second part that further explained it.

http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2013/10/20/2013_phillip_island_motogp_sunday_round_.html

Personally, I think Dorna needs to hire someone who has written construction specifications to write their rules! A correctly worded rule doesn't need to be explained.

I think DE outlays the logistics around this controversy pretty well right here...

That was a good write up, it explained heaps and helped make sense of what occured.
Sad how the letter of the law crushes the spirit of racing, and how safety regulations dont equal practical safety measures.

Quote from: koko64 on October 21, 2013, 09:28:06 AM
That was a good write up, it explained heaps and helped make sense of what occured.
Sad how the letter of the law crushes the spirit of racing, and how safety regulations dont equal practical safety measures.

WELL, if you look at it earnestly, and look at the pictures of MM's 1st 11 laps rear tire chunking, it isn't too hard to think of the decision by race direction at the behest of Bridgestone to call a maximum of 10 laps a safety measure...

Quote from: koko64 on October 20, 2013, 05:55:00 AM
I thought MM was generous towards his team ("We make the beast with two backsed up"). A good kid.

They could have deducted a licence point, given a ride through or deducted a position for the lap thing, but they opened up the championship instead.

Marc is good for MotoGP.  The riders should take note of his reaction.

Quote from: ab on October 20, 2013, 04:09:57 PM

Black flag, I mean he broke the rules for sure.  As for the punishment, if that is what was explained before, then tough luck.  Seems harsh but rules are rules.

Why was the penalty so harsh?  Race direction was concerned for the fans and the track.  If they didn't penalize Marc, the whining from JLo would have been devastating!  I'm talking EPIC!!!!  Anyone within a quarter mile would be instantly killed from the initial blast.  The new asphalt would be pulverized. 

Quote from: ab on October 20, 2013, 04:09:57 PM

MM exit from pit and touching JLo, totally MM fault.  He should have stayed outside line.  Obviously when he looked back their was nobody and then boom.  So it's tough stuff but it's still on MM.

Along with the rear wheel sensor guard they should add mirrors and blinkers? 

Zoom, from the tyre pkcs, that's obvious, but I was thinking about the pit lane set up  etc, you know, all the added, unnecessary complexity. Some of the safety solutions caused other dangers. Layers of regulation were added rather than an elegant solution befitting the purity of the elite class. Two 9 lap races for half points without all the bullshit for a straight up fight might have been better. Even that could look half assed, but cleaner and safer.

Race direction had to do alot of fancy footwork and paint themselves into a corner because Bridgestone failed to test on the new surface. Bridgestone can pretend they saved the day but only because of their make the beast with two backs up in the first place. They're in the shit now.

Quote from: The Architect on October 21, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
Marc is good for MotoGP.  The riders should take note of his reaction.
Why was the penalty so harsh?  Race direction was concerned for the fans and the track.  If they didn't penalize Marc, the whining from JLo would have been devastating!  I'm talking EPIC!!!!  Anyone within a quarter mile would be instantly killed from the initial blast.  The new asphalt would be pulverized. 

Along with the rear wheel sensor guard they should add mirrors and blinkers? 

At the start of the year I thought MM was just another spoilt little shit, but I was wrong. It looks like his parents raised him right and keep his feet on the ground.
I like the kid. With that cheeky smile, my mamma would pinch his cheeks like nobody's business!

Thinking about it, the Bridgestone techs, upon examining the tyres, could be incredibly precise with their calculations of when the tyres would fail, to within a lap. Therefore then, in light of such critical margins, how much more negligent does Bridgestone appear for failing to test the new surface?

Quote from: koko64 on October 21, 2013, 11:26:51 AM
Thinking about it, the Bridgestone techs, upon examining the tyres, could be incredibly precise with their calculations of when the tyres would fail, to within a lap. Therefore then, in light of such critical margins, how much more negligent does Bridgestone appear for failing to test the new surface?

VERY...but it wasn't just the surface...it was also the temps which changed the estimate of 14 laps on Saturday to 10 laps after Sunday morning warm up when they re-examined some of the tires that went out.

True  , I've both frozen my ass off and been burnt to a crisp at PI.

Quote from: koko64 on October 22, 2013, 05:07:38 AM
True  , I've both frozen my ass off and been burnt to a crisp at PI.

I've suffered the same at Laguna Seca (not MotoGP, Roberts/Spencer/Lawson era).

I suffered the "hurricane" at Indy