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Started by MsTek, June 01, 2017, 06:46:42 AM

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MsTek

Quote from: ducpainter on June 16, 2017, 07:17:16 PM
If you remove the fuel lines with the tank upside down, you can then tip the tank, and almost all the fuel will drain out of the flange.

Cap swaps over. You'll need metric allen wrenches.

Order an o-ring, and a fuel filter. You'll be right there, and then won't need to worry about it for quite a while...6K miles anyway.

You'll need to start thinking about coating that tank. It isn't difficult. It is somewhat time consuming, and involves chemicals. There is a thread by ducatiz on a proven method with Caswell sealer. I thin mine a little more than him IIRC, but his method is right on.

What is part number of o ring and fuel filter?
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You can search for those numbers on the Ducati Omaha, or Ducati.com sites. I don't know them.
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DuciD03

Quote from: howie on June 16, 2017, 10:07:33 PM
Before digging out the potting do a little more diagnosis.  When the bike stalls or does not start and the fuel pump is not priming check if there is power at the brown/white wire in the connector to the fuel pump flange.  If there is power at that wire and the pump does not prime attack the flange.  If not, post back.  It could be an intermittent fuel pump relay or wiring.

If your Shorai (LiIn) battery was allowed to go flat at the shop and not charged you probably needed that new battery anyway.  

[popcorn]

The Yuasa Batteries are OEM and good quality; and you got a free battery! Just make sure it has a proper charge in it and use a battery tender (like Jr tender 0.75A trickle charge) to keep it charged and topped up; the Yuasa is a maintenance free battery and should be good for 5-10 yes if properly maintained / charged.  This is basic step #1 for a moto; exp. duc electrical diagnosis; next a 12V electrical testing meter would be a good addition to your tool box (for diagnosing electrical problems).

Note: - from your vid - As you may know there's an electrical lock out on the ignition system; when you turn the key the gauges should sweep; then hit the starter; if this does not happen there's an issue with the key chip syncing with the ECU; if the key is left on after 15-30 seconds the system times out and locks out and you have to turn the key off again; but be carful as you can go into the key programming mode by flipping the key on and off (I forget what the sequence is there; silly Italian system ... : )-... I didn't notice the gauges sweeping in your vid; so could be an issue there; it will turn over but no spark / fuel / fire (from what I remember). OH also check the wire clip on the bottom of the engine that sticks out; it sometimes gets hit / bent frayed / make sure its got a good connection; and will give funny electrical issues. All this is an aside to a fuel pump but related.

Electrical is challenging to diagnose but your doing it; Id encourage you to conquer that! [thumbsup]

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Quote from: DuciD03 on June 17, 2017, 08:34:16 AM
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Note: - from your vid - As you may know there's an electrical lock out on the ignition system; when you turn the key the gauges should sweep; then hit the starter; if this does not happen there's an issue with the key chip syncing with the ECU; if the key is left on after 15-30 seconds the system times out and locks out and you have to turn the key off again; but be carful as you can go into the key programming mode by flipping the key on and off (I forget what the sequence is there; silly Italian system ... : )-... I didn't notice the gauges sweeping in your vid; so could be an issue there; it will turn over but no spark / fuel / fire (from what I remember). OH also check the wire clip on the bottom of the engine that sticks out; it sometimes gets hit / bent frayed / make sure its got a good connection; and will give funny electrical issues. All this is an aside to a fuel pump but related.

Electrical is challenging to diagnose but your doing it; Id encourage you to conquer that! [thumbsup]

Cheers D  [Dolph]

On her Part 2 video the key is already turned when she hits the starter button, so the needles may already have done their thing.
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Quote from: DuciD03 on June 17, 2017, 08:34:16 AM
[popcorn]

The Yuasa Batteries are OEM and good quality; and you got a free battery!
Cheers D  [Dolph]

She may have got a free stock battery, but she said she left it there with a Shorai LiFePo battery. I wouldn't call that an even swap.
Plus, that doesn't look like a "new" battery. Possibly just a "known good" battery.
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koko64

I'd want the old Shorai back and then send it to the Shorai dealer for diagnosis. It might come under partial warranty. How old was it?
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MsTek

It was only a year old.

I don't want to deal with them anymore.  I am going to post a scathing Yelp review.

That is NOT the battery I put in.  But now I just want it over.
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koko64

That Shorai would still be under warranty too. With the correct charging procedure it could be revived or at least replaced under warranty by the supplier.
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MsTek

Quote from: koko64 on June 21, 2017, 09:06:34 AM
That Shorai would still be under warranty too. With the correct charging procedure it could be revived or at least replaced under warranty by the supplier.

I doubt I can get it back. You have no idea how much crap I put up with them to begin with.  I would love my battery back.. but right now I just need to get my bike running period and move on and never go there again.
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koko64

Might be time to visit with some kick boxer mates. ;)

I believe you'll soon have it all repaired. [thumbsup]
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DuciD03

 [popcorn]

? no post  ???;

We no - know-ey what's-a going on there in windy city; your tangerine dreaming - vroom vrooming yet baby?

soooo? Progress report required  ;D

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MsTek

Another two weeks or so. I need the o ring and I may as well do the fuel filter at the same time. So I am waiting for another paycheck before I can buy them.

Believe me, I'll be asking for help or live streaming my repair somehow.  I hope I can do it!
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DuciD03

I changed a fuel tank last year on my s2r 05 acid yellow; its recommended to change the O ring ' but I reused it with no problems; I was careful taking things apart; gently cleaned it off and reused it then gently torqued the fuel pump flange to the tank; it hasn't leaked gas at all (yessss; be careful with the torque on the flange to tank bolts; not too much, not too little).

fuel filter is a bit of a chore too; got to be gentle taking things apart and putting it back together ...

Do you have a parts and mec manual for your s2r 05?

IF I can get some copies I'll email them to ya; just read and follow the mec steps; "easy peasy" with the proper tools.
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MsTek

I do not have a manual.  I think it would be extremely helpful. What I can "see" I can do.
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