Quote from: $Lindz$ on July 11, 2011, 04:07:55 PM
They wouldn't be putting anyone out of business. I'm sorry, these things cost ~$200 and look like they cost about $20. Fine for a track bike but they're hardly giving Termi, Arrow, Zard or even QD any reason to panic.

Okay, since I'm already an idiot for paying $200.00 for $20.00 pipes, does any body have the idiot's guide to posting pics on this site?

Quote from: Desert Dust on July 11, 2011, 04:41:03 PM
Okay, since I'm already an idiot for paying $200.00 for $20.00 pipes, does any body have the idiot's guide to posting pics on this site?

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=109.0

Quote from: mattfwalters on July 10, 2011, 11:47:50 PM
edit: now with 100% more photos

Technically not, since 100% of zero is still zero.

S2R 1K with Danmoto Carbon Slip-ons

I like the way they look and sound.

My wife and kids can hear me coming and they open the garage door for me. 

Next Mod - Marving header and Fat Duc O2 Manipulator

Extreme close-up

They look big.  But I like them.  How was the install? Any snags?  Also, can you post a full side shot of the bike? Thanks!

Personal opinion - the S2r setup looks top-notch.  I much prefer it to the double-underseat setup on the 696/1100 shown above... they look too skinny to me in that application.

I can see where some people are getting their comments about appearing "cheap" - I think the CF versions would look better with a rivet strap, as others have mentioned.

I'm still lusting after the lo-mount conicals for the DSS setup.  Anyone wanna cash out my rashed Remus Ti hi-mounts to make this happen?

Quote from: dropstharockalot on July 12, 2011, 05:17:57 AM
Personal opinion - the S2r setup looks top-notch.  I much prefer it to the double-underseat setup on the 696/1100 shown above... they look too skinny to me in that application.

I can see where some people are getting their comments about appearing "cheap" - I think the CF versions would look better with a rivet strap, as others have mentioned.

I'm still lusting after the lo-mount conicals for the DSS setup.  Anyone wanna cash out my rashed Remus Ti hi-mounts to make this happen?

The only snags with the install was that I had to drill a bigger hole in the the strap that holds the cans to the frame, and there were no bolts and nuts provided to attach the cans to the mounting straps. I chose to use the stock S2R clamps to attach the pipes to the cat eliminator.

Quote from: Desert Dust on July 11, 2011, 10:41:16 PM

I gotta say that they look really good.  The pic on their site left me wanting a bit more but I do like them for the price.

Are you going to put on some heal guards on them to prevent your boots from melting?

Thanks! I don't think I'll need any heat protectors. I rode last night for about five miles in shorts and tennis shoes and I didn't feel hot. Of course, I live in the So Cal desert and it's been around 110 degrees this week. Perhaps the sun was hotter than the pipes?

Quote from: $Lindz$ on July 11, 2011, 04:07:55 PM
They wouldn't be putting anyone out of business. I'm sorry, these things cost ~$200 and look like they cost about $20. Fine for a track bike but they're hardly giving Termi, Arrow, Zard or even QD any reason to panic.

Emphasis mine.  Bullshit, ANY manufacturer sweats the increasing quality and steady low cost products coming out of China.  If they don't, they are naive - in this economy, you get people looking to get the things that make them happy at a price that fits with tighter budgets.

As someone who is super happy with my conicals, do you really think I'm not going to keep an eye on DanMoto to see what other products they release?  Of course I am and should something else come up that I want/need to add, I will be comfortable buying from them again.

I just don't get the attitude.  Is it an anti-Chinese thing?  It certainly can't be a USA first thing, because that would be really hypocritical what with our Italian bikes and the aftermarket manufacturers based in the UK, Germany, Italy, Etc. 

 

Quote from: Javamoose on July 13, 2011, 01:31:10 AM
Emphasis mine.  Bullshit, ANY manufacturer sweats the increasing quality and steady low cost products coming out of China.  If they don't, they are naive - in this economy, you get people looking to get the things that make them happy at a price that fits with tighter budgets.

As someone who is super happy with my conicals, do you really think I'm not going to keep an eye on DanMoto to see what other products they release?  Of course I am and should something else come up that I want/need to add, I will be comfortable buying from them again.

I just don't get the attitude.  Is it an anti-Chinese thing?  It certainly can't be a USA first thing, because that would be really hypocritical what with our Italian bikes and the aftermarket manufacturers based in the UK, Germany, Italy, Etc. 

It has nothing to do with anti-Chinese. It's anti-cheap. I don't care where they are made (hence my "even QD" since it's Italian but doesn't feel or look like Termi, Arrow, or Zard).

I don't mean to be a dick, I've just seen cheap exhaust components before (from China, coincidence) especially with cars, and it's never been a good experience. Even if things don't crack (and they often do), the fit-and-finish is noticably poorer than high-end brands. When it's hidden beneath the sheetmetal of a car, it's easier to rationalize why you wouldn't spend good money. When it's part of the visual expression and in plain sight like a motorcycle (and much more important when it comes to quality and weight compared to a car part).

Somebody said something about making "spaghetti headers" for $300 or something... The reason I doubt you'll see this is because a slip-on is a pretty low-risk item. Headers have to be so much more precise I doubt any of these companies (like DanMoto) will get into that. The risk of bad publicity from a failure will potentially sink this "good thing" they have going right now.

Again, if you think these exhausts feel or look the same as any of the companies I've listed, then I think we have different opinions of what quality is (or at least what we're willing to pay for). I for one take a liking to hand-made fine and precise things. This includes beautifully mechanical items such as those found on motorcycles.

Also want to add that we'll never see eye-to-eye on this. I'm fine with discussing this and I won't try to persuade you to agree with me but I will qualify my statements and voice my opinion. If you have interest in this that's cool, I'm equally interested in people's reasons for liking these.

The best rationale I've heard with these is that your wife would be ok with spending $200 but not $2000. I'm not going to delve into people's personal lives vs. mine and I'm not judging anyone, so while I might not be in the same situation (hopefully ever) I UNDERSTAND that a motorcycle is for MOST people a very selfish and personal item. What joy or pleasure does your spouse get from it? Minimal in most cases.

You may say something like "it doesn't bother me" or "for the price I paid...". That is the crux of my argument, really. I prefer products where those statements don't have to be made.

Like I said... for a track bike that will most likely end up in a scrap yard that is understandable. But those offset (huge) straps holding the cans on the silver S2R1k look horrible to me. As do the materials. The pipes look like galvanized fence posts and the carbon looks like a sticker. The spring retainers look haggard and out of proportion, let alone oddly placed in relation to the curvature of the pipes (ie. the span on the lower spring that bridges the gap beneath the bend). And I'm willing to bet that since they are even USING spring retainers in that location that the pipes are not a dual-slip that have enough friction (and sealing) to not require retainers. And then don't get me started on the mis-matched diameters and the big step up to the can diameter (because they clearly recycle the parts for every kit and don't make bike-specific cans).

Shall I keep going? I'm not attacking people's choices here, my gripe is purely with the poor design and quality of the company.

Quote from: $Lindz$ on July 13, 2011, 01:53:21 AM

It has nothing to do with anti-Chinese. It's anti-cheap. I don't care where they are made (hence my "even QD" since it's Italian but doesn't feel or look like Termi, Arrow, or Zard).

I don't mean to be a dick, I've just seen cheap exhaust components before (from China, coincidence) especially with cars, and it's never been a good experience. Even if things don't crack (and they often do), the fit-and-finish is noticably poorer than high-end brands. When it's hidden beneath the sheetmetal of a car, it's easier to rationalize why you wouldn't spend good money. When it's part of the visual expression and in plain sight like a motorcycle (and much more important when it comes to quality and weight compared to a car part).

Somebody said something about making "spaghetti headers" for $300 or something... The reason I doubt you'll see this is because a slip-on is a pretty low-risk item. Headers have to be so much more precise I doubt any of these companies (like DanMoto) will get into that. The risk of bad publicity from a failure will potentially sink this "good thing" they have going right now.

Again, if you think these exhausts feel or look the same as any of the companies I've listed, then I think we have different opinions of what quality is (or at least what we're willing to pay for). I for one take a liking to hand-made fine and precise things. This includes beautifully mechanical items such as those found on motorcycles.

Well, first off, no idea what your situation is but not everyone has the luxury of dropping "good money" (no idea what the threshold is for "good" money) on cosmetic bits for a toy.  Let's not kid anyone here, unless you are a professional rider who makes his living from his bike, it's a toy.  I don't care if it's your only vehicle or if you ride it to work every day, it's a toy for 99% of the population.  Nothing wrong with that, we own and ride because of how it makes US feel, same can be said for how we accessorize and customize our toys.  It's to our individual likes...also our individual budgets or technical ability (custom fab, etc).

I've said, in regards to my DM Conicals, that the mounting system is...well, cheap looking.  Materials wise, stainless is nice; holes are all chamfered and everything else has a decent edge break.  Of course, I haven't sent off a sample to get a breakdown of the composition of the stainless but everything I expect to be stainless is.  What grade it is, I have no idea.  I'm sure it isn't super duplex or even a superaustenitic like AL-6XN, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it is 304...the Chinese, it seems, like to make everything stainless out of 304 (in my experience buying and having product fabricated in China).  Maybe if I can get some time on our mass spec, I'll see if I can get some testing done.

Sure, there are some fit/finish issues.  Few things could be a tighter fit...but, in my case, everything did line up proper and fit together correctly (with a little persuasion, in one case).  From the little bit of checking I have done (my bike has it's own issues) I don't seem to have any leaks.  As far as feeling cheap. take it from someone who has the product in hand and isn't going off of a handful of pictures on the internet, they don't feel cheap at all.  Every part feels solid and well made, they are massively lighter than the stock cans without being flimsy.  The finish is nice too, it looks to vary around a #4 to #6 finish depending on the part...which is a lot nicer than the mill finish on a fence post.

Quote from: $Lindz$ on July 13, 2011, 02:14:17 AM
Also want to add that we'll never see eye-to-eye on this. I'm fine with discussing this and I won't try to persuade you to agree with me but I will qualify my statements and voice my opinion. If you have interest in this that's cool, I'm equally interested in people's reasons for liking these.

The best rationale I've heard with these is that your wife would be ok with spending $200 but not $2000. I'm not going to delve into people's personal lives vs. mine and I'm not judging anyone, so while I might not be in the same situation (hopefully ever) I UNDERSTAND that a motorcycle is for MOST people a very selfish and personal item. What joy or pleasure does your spouse get from it? Minimal in most cases.

You may say something like "it doesn't bother me" or "for the price I paid...". That is the crux of my argument, really. I prefer products where those statements don't have to be made.

Like I said... for a track bike that will most likely end up in a scrap yard that is understandable. But those offset (huge) straps holding the cans on the silver S2R1k look horrible to me. As do the materials. The pipes look like galvanized fence posts and the carbon looks like a sticker. The spring retainers look haggard and out of proportion, let alone oddly placed in relation to the curvature of the pipes (ie. the span on the lower spring that bridges the gap beneath the bend). And I'm willing to bet that since they are even USING spring retainers in that location that the pipes are not a dual-slip that have enough friction (and sealing) to not require retainers. And then don't get me started on the mis-matched diameters and the big step up to the can diameter (because they clearly recycle the parts for every kit and don't make bike-specific cans).

Shall I keep going? I'm not attacking people's choices here, my gripe is purely with the poor design and quality of the company.

Yeah, spring retainers are def. for manufacturers who don't know how to properly build pipes, especially that welded on loop that the DanMoto's use. Oh, shit, oops.  My stock cans had the same size step-up, doesn't seem excessive to me.  But, I do agree that dual slip fittings on the intermediate pipes would be nice.  

I've not met the people running the company, so I cannot judge them.  I would be interested in what the quality of the first exhausts from Termi, et al. were like when they first started out.  I bet, as with any new mfg, they had some fit/finish issues too.  Personally, I am interested in seeing if this specific company grows and improves (with feedback) or not.  My experience with the Chinese mfgs I've dealt with is that they WANT to make a good product and are really open to how to improve any shortcomings. For a new-ish company, their design seems pretty good to me...but what do I know.  I just spend my time engineering systems/products for high tech start-up companies and before that was a machinist with a large (read - Brand name) weapons manufacturer making high-spec components from mundane to exotic materials that kept people alive.  So, for me, compared to how I make my living...an exhaust flange that is a little out of round or a weld seam that could be a bit tighter - not worth crying over nor worth paying a 400% mark-up to solve.  YMMV.

If you don't like it, don't sweat it, you are obviously in a different money earning bracket than other people. you buy what you think will be aesthetically pleasing to other people while other people buy what they like andthey can afford and get the same enjoyment out of it. Haters are always gonna hate. Buy what you want.