The wannabe Fighters get fit thread

[Outlaw1100]

this is my opinion and how i view it.

He Man...in general I agree with your opinions on this.  I know that, for myself who has TKD as my core martial art, I became a much better fighter once I started taking other martial arts (i.e. Kuk Sool Won) to supplement it.  I don't think, however, that there is a flaw with the art itself; rather the manner in which we've Americanized it. 

But, I do have to say that when I spar, the TKD basics come out first - the front snaps, the side kicks - my leg has a longer reach than everyone else's arms, so if the kicks could end a fight, all the better.  Problem is, many TKD artists don't really know what to do if a fight gets into grappling/clinch range.  They think that the kicks will carry the day...but that sure is putting a lot of faith on one dimension!

Who wins if you put a top TKD guy, a top Karate guy, a top Kung Fu guy, a top BJJ guy, a top boxer, a top street fighter (you get the point)...into a ring to fight it out?  The best **Fighter** wins...not the best art.  Once you get to a certain level, the style falls away and the fighter alone will determine win or loss.  I heard that once, and it has really stuck with me.

Mike

[djrashonal]

That makes me  


Does anyone here do any grappling art.  I was doing BJJ but damn is it expensive!!!!  $150/month compared to $5.83/month for Judo plus $50 for yearly registration.  I'm blessed with a club that does both standing and newaza (ground game).   

Oh man! where do you go to pay 5.83.month for Judo! I used to train at an academy in DC (BJJ and Capoeira) and it was F-in EXPENSIVE!

[duccarlos]

Who wins if you put a top TKD guy, a top Karate guy, a top Kung Fu guy, a top BJJ guy, a top boxer, a top street fighter (you get the point)...into a ring to fight it out?  The best **Fighter** wins...not the best art.  Once you get to a certain level, the style falls away and the fighter alone will determine win or loss.  I heard that once, and it has really stuck with me.

That was what the UFC was at the beginning. That's exactly why we now have "MMA".

TKD is simply not effective as a self-defense martial art. Neither is kung fu. But it similar respects BJJ is not either. If you're being attacked by 3 opponents, are you going to go to the ground and grapple? Like He-man said, MMA is a sport with rules. If you're looking for a true self-defense martial art, you better look at Krav.

[Outlaw1100]

TKD is simply not effective as a self-defense martial art.

I can only agree with that statement if you add the word 'Americanized' in front of the TKD.  Traditional TKD teaches good self-defense skills, but some of that has fallen away as TKD has been turned into a sport by many practitioners.  You mention fighting 3-on-1...TKD fits perfectly in that category - as when you are defending yourself against multiple attackers you absolutely want to try and fight from a distance and that is right up TKD's alley.

In general, I don't support or agree with anyone who says 'Art X is not as effective at self defense as Art Y'.  It's about the fighter, not the art.

Mike

[bulldogs2k]

Oh man! where do you go to pay 5.83.month for Judo! I used to train at an academy in DC (BJJ and Capoeira) and it was F-in EXPENSIVE!

I train with Tidewater Judo Club in Va Beach.  We are under the USJF and most of our tournaments are in the DC area.  Where in DC are you?  Great clubs, the best one would have to be sport Judo in Arlington/Alexandria, and there is a club near University of Maryland.  But I'm guessing they are charging 40 bucks a month. 



Regarding Sport vs. S.D.

My BJJ instructor, Gustavo Machado said, "In Brazil, you don't do Jiu Jitsu in the streets!"  Take it for what its worth, he's a high ranking black belt too. 

[duccarlos]

My BJJ instructor, Gustavo Machado said, "In Brazil, you don't do Jiu Jitsu in the streets!"  Take it for what its worth, he's a high ranking black belt too. 

Yep, BJJ proved that when it came to the early days of MMA, it was a force to be reckoned with. Pretty much most of the traditional arts have lost some of the more harsh techniques. Traditional jiu jitsu actually spawned judo. The more traditional arts have been diluted in the US to relate to children. Of course in the countries where these arts originated, they continue to train as they used to, but most, if not all, the people here have been trained outside of those countries.

Krav is a martial art developed specifically for self defense only. There are no tournaments or sanctioned fights. All it's suppose to teach you is how to avoid and survive an attack. Some others martial arts have been developed for this as well.

[Outlaw1100]

You hit the nail on the head when you said that introduction of children has diluted many arts.  That, along with the sporting aspect of it, and the get-you-a-black-belt-in-18-months crap, is what I mean when I say 'Americanized'.

[duccarlos]

You hit the nail on the head when you said that introduction of children has diluted many arts.  That, along with the sporting aspect of it, and the get-you-a-black-belt-in-18-months crap, is what I mean when I say 'Americanized'.

Little Johnny would be bored if he didn't earn a new belt every week. That's why they give them stripes now. Before you would earn like 5 belts, now you have like 30. I've been to some schools where the BBs look like they've been there for 2 months. My first sensei would have died before giving them a BB.

[YellowDuck]

All I have to add to this is, which was already said, generally the best fighter wins regardless of system. That said, I haven't really seen any 'Americanized' TKD practitioners I was impressed with, not to knock them but it has really devolved into a sport, not art or system of fighting. Shotokan has done the same thing, most all tournaments are games of tag. And Judo was only ever developed as a sport.

On another subject, we regularly do planks for stabilizer training. We usually do two one minute sets. Tuesday we decided to try for a single three minute plank. I made it to about 2:50. Last night I made it to 3:15, my instructor went past 4.

Give it a shot and report back, it's tough. And they gotta be flat planks on your elbows.

[bulldogs2k]

All I have to add to this is, which was already said, generally the best fighter wins regardless of system. That said, I haven't really seen any 'Americanized' TKD practitioners I was impressed with, not to knock them but it has really devolved into a sport, not art or system of fighting. Shotokan has done the same thing, most all tournaments are games of tag. And Judo was only ever developed as a sport.

On another subject, we regularly do planks for stabilizer training. We usually do two one minute sets. Tuesday we decided to try for a single three minute plank. I made it to about 2:50. Last night I made it to 3:15, my instructor went past 4.

Give it a shot and report back, it's tough. And they gotta be flat planks on your elbows.

It ends up hurting my shoulders before my abs

[djrashonal]

I train with Tidewater Judo Club in Va Beach.  We are under the USJF and most of our tournaments are in the DC area.  Where in DC are you?  Great clubs, the best one would have to be sport Judo in Arlington/Alexandria, and there is a club near University of Maryland.  But I'm guessing they are charging 40 bucks a month. 



Regarding Sport vs. S.D.

My BJJ instructor, Gustavo Machado said, "In Brazil, you don't do Jiu Jitsu in the streets!"  Take it for what its worth, he's a high ranking black belt too. 

I WAS in DC  but now in AZ for the time being. I was training at Yamasaki Academy in Rockville, but they have since opened a few other locations. I will be in DC for 6 weeks this winter, and may have to do a few drop in classes as I will be staying in College Park across the street from UMD. I'll look them up, thanks for the info!

[bulldogs2k]

I WAS in DC   but now in AZ for the time being. I was training at Yamasaki Academy in Rockville, but they have since opened a few other locations. I will be in DC for 6 weeks this winter, and may have to do a few drop in classes as I will be staying in College Park across the street from UMD. I'll look them up, thanks for the info!

College Park Judo is an awesome club.  They usually have good players since they get a lot of college students.  Unfortunately for me, our club is the only one here, hampton roads area is heavily into the BJJ scene  and it is EXPENSIVE!!!  150 a month for BJJ  

Oh ya, my last promotion, Kosei Inoue was there (College Park) to do a short seminar.

[He Man]

i pulled my neck musle diving into the ocean. its been 4 days. i cant look down. :\ going to see a doctor tomorrow because the muscle wont relax. when i wake up my necki is stiff like a rock. i think i caused some really bad adamage.

[bulldogs2k]

Heal up quick! 



Yesterday I was rolling with some BJJ'er.  It's funny because most of them seriously thought Judokas knew how to roll, they thought that all we did was throws etc.  We started on our knees, (I hate starting there, proves no real application) and he pulled guard thinking he was going to easily submit me.  Long story short, I passed guard and kimura'd him.  He was just a low blue, I find that the higher ranks are much more educated and A LOT harder to fight haha...

[He Man]

i asked a friend of mine who does jits and its insane how long i takes to be a black belt! Just prooves that you must really know your craft to be up there.

I am on a steady diet of ice....cream, thai liniment oil and aleve. im taking aleve, 2 pills every 6 hours for the next few days to help the cramps. its REALLY bad. Thai liniment oil to help relax the muscle and ice to help. its been over 5 days of having this cramp and its keeping me from doing a lot...

any words of advice?

on that note.... what kind of bag do you think is best to train on? heavy bannana bag, the teardrop bags, or something like the Body action system from bas rutten.