1199 Photo leak!

[zarn02]

I was being a bit sarcastic. 

Apologies. Sarcasm detector must be running at half-capacity this afternoon.

[DRKWNG]

 

[Triple J]

so has anyone tested the bike and "leaked" the results?  I'm still betting the base price to be $24,999 

Bayliss

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=51286.msg968309#msg968309

[$Lindz$]

The current (and recent) Ducati superbikes have all been derived from the revolutionary 916. For the past 17 years, the frame has (for all intents and purposes) been the same design. The bikes have of course gotten an evolved engine (which has been again, of the same original design), suspension, brakes, fueling and electronics, and have obviously increased substantially in power (with lower weight thanks to the newest engine evolution).

Considering everything, this will be their first ground-up SBK design in almost 2 decades... Sarcasm or not, I'm pretty sure the damn 1198 needs to be put out to pasture already.

Can't wait for the 1199!

[zarn02]

Just to be an intolerable pedant, the current superbike engine derives from the 851, not the 916.

[ducatiz]

Just to be an intolerable pedant, the current superbike engine derives from the 851, not the 916.

actually, all derived from the Apollo engine

[duccarlos]

You guys actually believe that people will not buy the 1199? Some people will buy anything with the Ducati logo on it. I would go as far as to say that 75% of Ducati owners in the US do not watch any racing.

[zarn02]

You guys actually believe that people will not buy the 1199? Some people will buy anything with the Ducati logo on it. I would go as far as to say that 75% of Ducati owners in the US do not watch any racing.

Hey, this here boy-racer wannabe only accepts the very best, irrespective of his capacity to use it!

(Which is limited, to be charitable.)

[NorDog]

You guys actually believe that people will not buy the 1199? Some people will buy anything with the Ducati logo on it. I would go as far as to say that 75% of Ducati owners in the US do not watch any racing.

I don't watch racing.  I'd rather be out riding.

[junior varsity]

actually, all derived from the Apollo engine

I was going to say pantah

[Slide Panda]

A mini site for the superquadro engine is up

http://www.superquadro.ducati.com/en/

Not too much info, but there are hp and torque curves. Peak HP of 195 at 10750, with a max rev (on the chart) of 11,500. Peak torque is 8,750 and looks to be 98 ft/lbs.

Some photos and CAD renderings of the engine. It's a chain driven cam, not quite the gear stack of the GP engines, but gone is the belt. Some other details:

Perfomance

    _195 hp
    _4.41 in (112 mm) bore diameter
    _Full and indipendent RbW system
    _2.66 in (67.5mm) equivalent diameter oval throttle body
    _Twin injectors for each throttle body
    _Feeding and delivery gerotor oil pumps for vacuum effect
    _Crankshaft on shell bearing for enhanced stiffness

Weight reduction

    _Nikasil coated alluminium wet liners
    _Decompressor device on both cylinder heads
    _Inlet titanium valves
    _Magnesium sump cover, head covers and clutch covers
    _Plastic gears (tecno polimeri) for oil and water drive

Power Delivery

    _Integrated design for engine & vehicle: the new Superquadro engine is a fully stressed member of the chassis
    _Racing oriented pistons: double ribbed and RR58 alloy
    _Secondary Air System
    _New chain drive timing system
    _Slipper and self-servo wet clutch
    _New gearbox: increased dimension between shaft centers for increased strenght

[ducatiz]

That engine looks very sexy

60.8mm stroke.  That's amazing.  The 750 has a 61.5 stroke and the 600 had a 58mm stroke.  can't imagine what the pistons must be like to keep them from getting cocked in the bore.

have to say i like the "superquadratta" name over "superquadro"

[77south]

I looked at the site linked above, and that is one amazing engine.  One question I have though, is on the rod that holds the rocker arms,  (i may have that terminology wrong, the rod that hold the dealy-bobs that the cams move is what I am trying to say) Right next to the bits that the cams move, wrapped around the rod and connected to the things I am calling rocker arms, are.... springs!  what are springs doing in a desmo engine?

[Slide Panda]

what are springs doing in a desmo engine?

There's always been helper spring on the closer side. Sure as hell springs in my 2000 2v

[ducatiz]

what are springs doing in a desmo engine?

all of the street bikes have helper springs -- about 7lbs.  actual poppet valve springs on spring valve bikes run 60-80-100 lbs.

some racers remove them and set the closer to some really tight gaps which pull the valve nearly closed and the pressure in the cylinder shuts it.  street bikes usually do not have exhaust closers that tight and the extra help with the spring keeps things running well.