;) for all the amatuer fighters, wannabe amatuer fighters and well maybe some of you guys are fighters, your welcomed too. ;D
So uhh, what do you guys do to be able to kick like this for all 5 rounds? :P
Buakaw Amazing two legs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8v9UKw-BUk#normal)
Elwyn Hall has some pretty fast feet and can sweep.
SHOTOKAN - Elwyn Hall Looks Back (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5faGD5b6Zw#normal)
wow, those are some fany and FAST feet! i wonder how it would do in kickboxing!
Quote from: YellowDuck on June 01, 2011, 09:54:25 AM
Elwyn Hall has some pretty fast feet and can sweep.
SHOTOKAN - Elwyn Hall Looks Back (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5faGD5b6Zw#normal)
Hell ya! I got to do a seminar with him while living in England. I trained Shotokan in the 90s but stopped after shodan...I'll get back to it but I'm working on my Judo BB at the moment.
Quote from: He Man on June 01, 2011, 09:57:44 AM
wow, those are some fany and FAST feet! i wonder how it would do in kickboxing!
You've seen it already. Lyoto Machida does De ashi Barai all the time. I did it while training Muay Thai and they hated it. Sweeps and jabs can really get someone off their game.
Here's a good video of sweeps, and this guy is GOOD at them.
Shotokan Karate Ashi Barai (Foot Sweeps) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CTZuz2UYs0#normal)
Been a victim in the 2 years I practiced Shotokan. Not fun.
That guy can move for being so rotund.
I've never been swept in a match, but I did fight a Brazilian guy that couldn't swept for shit. He pounded on both my lower legs, knees and thighs trying to swept, he just didn't have the technique. My legs looked like they had grapefruits under the skin for weeks.
man that guy has pretty cool sweeps. we have something VERY similar in muay thai. for a right handed person, you would use your foot to cath the calf and knee area and bring it foward while simultaneously push the left shoulder outward. It works best when they are going in for the clinch. the best example is at 3:47 from the video by bulldog2k. Thats exactly what we do. it works VERY well the first time you get someone. I had it done on me like 3 times while sparing, NOT FUN. lol
However that shotokan stance leaves you open for sweeps because you stand so much on one line. in other systems you stand on 2 lines and a front leg sweep normally will not work.
Quote from: He Man on June 01, 2011, 12:13:49 PM
However that shotokan stance leaves you open for sweeps because you stand so much on one line. in other systems you stand on 2 lines and a front leg sweep normally will not work.
Incorrect. Again, look at Machida. The difference is that you have to use it as a counter or in the middle of your combination/technique.
I dont get what you mean.
If you stand on one line during a combo, you are not open to a sweep? or do you mean standing on one line as a basis for your fighting style does NOT open yourself for sweeps and you use machida as an example?
From the UFC machida fights ive seen the guy fights in a very different way than most other fighters. Successful? for his body type and his skill yes. Not sure if you can apply the same thing to other people.
I think you are both kinda right.
IMO - Feet in stance at hip with is ideal, for all systems.
A lot of people tend to get into a single plane kamae, probably to reduce target with, almost like a backstance traditionally done in one plane.
The positive of the traditional shotokan (many other systems) front stance is that enables you to cover a lot of distance and range. Read some of the critiques of Machida, his opponents generally commented that they had a hard time getting him into range, but he could still strike them. The negative is that the stance is much more difficult to react defensively.
In shotokan, there are a few different stances, but the forward stance is actually shoulder width apart. Side stances (horse stance) and back stances are more in-line but you don't want to use it in a fight. They are taught to help with movement and in a traditional sense, conditioning. Stances are deep, but when fighting, it is higher up to be lighter on your feet, but at the same time you can lunge forward to attack.
When two Karatekas spar in a continuous fashion, it starts to look like Kyokushin or even Muay Thai. We were heavy with knees and elbows. [evil]
Judo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFM-xRKbSec#normal)
Here's a nice quick Judo video. I'm pretty sure it's a commercial for credit cards.
i was sparring with someone 6'3 yesterday, possible taller, i am 5'6"
I got my ass handed to me and he was playing nice. gave me a nice punch and removed my contacts for me.
and my nose hurts. :P ahahahaha.
any tips to get my cardio up? sparring makes me feel like im doing a 2 mile sprint on all fours.
Quote from: He Man on June 02, 2011, 08:10:37 AM
i was sparring with someone 6'3 yesterday, possible taller, i am 5'6"
I got my ass handed to me and he was playing nice. gave me a nice punch and removed my contacts for me.
and my nose hurts. :P ahahahaha.
any tips to get my cardio up? sparring makes me feel like im doing a 2 mile sprint on all fours.
How many rounds? I found that jumping rope was the best way to get my cardio up. At my peak, I could jump rope for at least 30 minutes.
I am also height challenged, so you have to find a way to fight on the inside. Dirty boxing and clinch, but getting to that point is no fun, especially against a seasoned sparring partner. Against a n00b, I would be able to bob/weave/leg kick my way in. Once against the ropes, a lot of body shots to drop the hands and some hooks to the head to finish the job.
1 minute rounds cycling in and out for about 45 minutes. there was only 3 of us. so it was 2 rounds, 1 round out, 2 rounds 1 round out etc.
im still trying to get jump roping down, i cant go fast without sheering off a toe. working on it...been 3 months and i can keep a steady paced rythem.
and you are completely right, getting on the side of him make the beast with two backsign sucked. i ate so many punches and he just stepped back. Eventually he just let me on the inside, and im too short to do anything but body shots, liver shots and kick to the leg, my uppercuts wont even reach his chin, so i just uppercut the body. i need to find that liver.
heres an excuse to bring an ice old one to gym next time
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491236/A-pint-beer-better-workout-water-say-scientists.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491236/A-pint-beer-better-workout-water-say-scientists.html)
Sprint/jog intervals and jump ropes.
I'm short too so I would always set them up by circling and letting them come to me. I would time their attacks and counter with a lunging straight and sweeps. Once off balance it's easy to get into a clinch if you don't take them down, or, you can do a quick burst of punches and disengage. Works for me, and i'm always going against taller folks.
You don't always have to square off with your opponent so find angles. It sucks but a great inside fighter is a scary thing!
I'm convinced that this is the reason that short guys are rarely knocked out. We eat so many punches that we become immuned. I almost miss those days. I presume you got a 30 second breather between rounds. 3 minute rounds seem to last forever.
As your cardio increases, you become less sloppy with the rope. Right now, I doubt I would be able to go 1 minute without hitting my toe. One thing that we used to do that sounds easy, but isn't was to jab a heavy bag without stopping for a full round (3 minutes), then cross for a round. You start off like it's super easy. After the first minute, your shoulder starts to complain. By the second minute, you can barely keep the arm up. With 30 seconds left, you want to die. If you can do that with no problem, you are in shape.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 02, 2011, 08:37:21 AM
One thing that we used to do that sounds easy, but isn't was to jab a heavy bag without stopping for a full round (3 minutes), then cross for a round. You start off like it's super easy. After the first minute, your shoulder starts to complain. By the second minute, you can barely keep the arm up. With 30 seconds left, you want to die. If you can do that with no problem, you are in shape.
Man we did the same thing. I wanted to cut my arms off.
That little exercise sucked. You know what also sucked, doing sit-ups off the ring where you had to extend over the side. We went passed the 0 degree angle. My abs hurt for days after. I miss those days.
That makes me :'(
Does anyone here do any grappling art. I was doing BJJ but damn is it expensive!!!! $150/month compared to $5.83/month for Judo plus $50 for yearly registration. I'm blessed with a club that does both standing and newaza (ground game).
I've dabbled in BJJ. I'm hoping to find a judo dojo down in Santiago when I move. Judo is one of those arts that in some cases it's better to be short. With a lower center of gravity, it's harder for people to throw you.
We do a similar exercise to the 3 minute heavy bag routine.
It's 3 (or 2) on one. 3 guys grab large kicking bags, 1 guy is monkey in the middle. The 3 guys charge the monkey from different postions and angles continuously, the monkey attacks/counters with anything they've got. 2 minute intervals,5 times. I usually, fall down after about the 3 round.
As for grappling, we have been working on disecting the Okinawan and Shotokan kata trying to find the real application. We have pretty much moved away from what Japanese adapted into the system. There are tons of locks, breaks and throws in the kata, that were never taught or lost somewhere. We still practice the long range techniques, but we focus much more on close strikes, take downs, breaks and throws. Of course, if someone gets me to the ground I'd be make the beast with two backsed because I have no skills on da floor.
YES Judo is awesome to be short!!! But tall guys have there uchimatas which is a hard fall to take.
Funny because Funikoshi Sensei was friends with Kano Sensei, which is why there is a lot of Judo throws in Shotokan.
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 02, 2011, 08:25:36 AM
Sprint/jog intervals and jump ropes.
This. Just jogging will really only help you recover quicker between rounds.
We face a partner, and then 'pyramid' double-unders... he does one, I do one, he does two, I do two, etc... up to ten and back down, six minutes or so. It sucks.
I don't have anything to add to the sweep/stance debate. And I pretty much already worship Buakaw, so thanks for the vid.
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 02, 2011, 10:16:35 AM
That makes me :'(
Does anyone here do any grappling art. I was doing BJJ but damn is it expensive!!!! $150/month compared to $5.83/month for Judo plus $50 for yearly registration. I'm blessed with a club that does both standing and newaza (ground game).
No shit, this hobby of ours is expensive. I'm doing MT BJJ and Sub Wrestling at my gym (I actually just changed gyms for the summer) and it comes out to about 130/mo It's worth it, though.
Doing BJJ is like nothing other, 5 minutes of rollling are like 30 mins of just pure stand up.
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 02, 2011, 10:16:35 AM
That makes me :'(
Does anyone here do any grappling art. I was doing BJJ but damn is it expensive!!!! $150/month compared to $5.83/month for Judo plus $50 for yearly registration. I'm blessed with a club that does both standing and newaza (ground game).
I grappled for a number of years at a private shoot wrestling club with a bunch of good friends. I had grown up boxing under my old man and wrestled in highschool, but wanted to learn some submission stuff. A number of the guys were intructors under Erik Paulson and only trained privately for their own training......no students or paid lessons. I was the only guy who didn't really know anything at the beginning and it was really great of them to let me train with them and I can't imagine what the amount of time I receive for free was worth.
I also switched from boxing to muay thai around the same time to learn how to use elbows, knees and kicks.
Just got back from Judo practice. I got hammered by all the blackbelts (one national level judoka) and one brown belt. Then the elderly 6th dan sensei pointed at me and wanted to do some newaza (mat work)....I didn't want to go too hard on him since I out weight the guy by 100lbs but I was able to pass his guard easily but just since I was being nice, I didn't want to crush him while in side control. So...he turtled up and snagged my arm while at it. Couldn't do anything but tap....
Some days, you throw em around...some days...your counting light fixtures.... :'(
Time to drink a cold one! [drink]
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 02, 2011, 06:34:58 PM
Some days, you throw em around...some days...your counting light fixtures.... :'(
Time to drink a cold one! [drink]
In my case, I've been able to count how many holes are in the ceiling from the amount of time I've spent staring up there.
LOL or getting so gassed...you know what you want to do but your body will not follow directions. [laugh]
Gotta keep running 'cuz I've got a smoker in three weeks, and I've pulled my left hip flexor.
My pace used to be 7.5/ min per mile... now it's 7-point-ow pant ow pant ow pant ow.
Nice! I've never done a smoker but I wouldn't mind trying if I lost a good bit of weight. I've always wanted to try my funky Shotokan style vs the typical kick boxer.
Tonight I have Judo practice...I hope to be the one throwing this time [laugh]
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 07, 2011, 09:54:48 AM
Nice! I've never done a smoker but I wouldn't mind trying if I lost a good bit of weight. I've always wanted to try my funky Shotokan style vs the typical kick boxer.
We have a lot of converted TKD and Kyokushin guys, and their first movements are so explosive that it's just maddening. You do NOT want to be stationary in front of one of them when they get off the line.
Once you break kicking range, they have a lot of trouble. I'm OK with trading a glancing spinning back kick for the six or seven clinch knees I'm going to land.
Knees...hate em lol.
Can't wait to hit up judo practice...I'm going to throw someone...I can feel it in my nuggets!
There's a Navy Seal that trains with us...This weekend he went to a Judo tournament and fought in 3 weight divisions for a total of 16 fights back to back with no rest. He wins them all! I'm glad we have guys like him on our side!
Wait, unless you have overlapping weight divisions, how could he fight in 3 different ones?
I'm already checking out the situation down in Chile. They have a few Judo Dojos, but the wife wants to go to the Y. Right now they offer Aikido, so I might try it.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 08, 2011, 07:29:45 AM
Wait, unless you have overlapping weight divisions, how could he fight in 3 different ones?
I'm already checking out the situation down in Chile. They have a few Judo Dojos, but the wife wants to go to the Y. Right now they offer Aikido, so I might try it.
Dude, do Judo if you can. Aikido is great but there's nothing like the feeling of launching people into the air, plus, if the dojo is like mine, they teach you a lot of ground game like chokes and arm locks. Do it!
The Judoka entered his weight class, plus the next two divisions higher! Somthing like 70kg, 90Kg, and 100kg all in the Black Belt division. Won them all by Ippon, or knock down throw, which is HARD as hell to do!
I prefer Judo, but not going to pay too much extra if I'll already be a member of the Y.
got cauvht with a TKD kick to the nose.
that shit hurt.
i need to get used to getting hit in the face and not be fazed by it. My eyes tear up and i want to sneeze all the time. lol
LOL I used to have a quick jab and I would do the same to my partners. They would tear up too [laugh]
The worst kick i've taken was an axe kick to my collar bone. Foot went up, came down faster, and heard an audible snap! [thumbsdown]
Andy Hug comes to mind...that guy would do a vertical split and land some nasty axe kicks.
Reverse side kick to the gut. Knocked the wind out of me.
Big 6'5" dude reverse roundhouse. Put his heel right in my eye socket.
I went down to one knee, almost put me out.
Ok Ok...the worst was a tennis ball being chucked at me, bouncing off the floor and hitting me in the nadz. That takes the cake!
did a martial artist throw it at you using it as a weapon? if no then it does not count!
I thought we were discussing legit kicks. I've gotten hit in the balls more times than I care to remember.
Martial artist...no...But a mean kid lol.
I made sure to wear a cup when rolling.
ive been kneed in the nuts HARDCORE twice.
I also delivered a HARDCORE shot to the nuts once.
All during training. I went to kick this guy and we both kicked each other and my knee went straight into his nuts before i could get my leg fully out. He was wearing his cup kinda loose and high.
Ive been racked before with the shock doc carbon fiber cups and it hurt but didnt knock the wind out of me...thai cups however.... well they are just about hte worst invention to protect the sack. I almost threw up several times.
LOLOLOL no need to learn martial arts...just aim for the money bags!
You laugh now, but the "real world" martial arts, like Krav, teach this as a technique. It has to be one, if not the best way to disable a male opponent.
Daido juku MMA karate knockdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5AvCcLwaJQ&feature=related#normal)
They allow headbutts and groin shots!
That's pretty awesome stuff right there.
Quote from: duccarlos on June 10, 2011, 06:41:32 AM
You laugh now, but the "real world" martial arts, like Krav, teach this as a technique. It has to be one, if not the best way to disable a male opponent.
At risk of the epic self-brun I'm about to inflict... it's a pretty small target. Sure, the results are difficult to argue with, but there's not a lot of room for error. It's fairly well protected by body structure to begin with, and when you add modern groin protection to that it's even tougher to disable a guy. We had a classmate take a huge knee right in the junk during the last smoker and he still finished two more rounds.
Even when this was still legal in Thailand's stadium championships, there were only a couple fighters that were consistently successful with this as a cornerstone of their fighting tactics.
This should in no way be construed as a disposition against hitting dudes in the junk. I am still a big advocate of the late-night-drinking-buddy-sneaky-dick-punch as a form of humor.
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 10, 2011, 10:17:50 AM
LOL is that so! [laugh]
He should have stopped right before that statement.
Here's food for thought...The actor who played Al Bundy from Married with Children is a BJJ blackbelt. He's in his 60s now... I guess it's only late when you're dead.
Allergies have led to a sinus infection. Smoker is less than three weeks away. Can't breathe. Can't spar. Can't train.
FML.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on June 13, 2011, 11:46:21 AM
Allergies have led to a sinus infection. Smoker is less than three weeks away. Can't breathe. Can't spar. Can't train.
FML.
Pffft we call that simulated altitude training where I'm from. sucl it up!
just kidding dude, that sounds unpleasant. there this guy at the gym with one of those stupid "altitude masks" he bought for like 100 bucks. we cant help but make fun of him.
altitude mask...LOL I hope he's getting ready for a pro fight!
thats funny, i was watching the bas rutten O2 trainer video just hte other day!!!!
in theory it makes sense.
http://www.amazon.com/Official-Bas-Rutten-O2-Trainer/dp/B004V6R9XA (http://www.amazon.com/Official-Bas-Rutten-O2-Trainer/dp/B004V6R9XA)
Quote from: He Man on June 13, 2011, 12:56:33 PM
thats funny, i was watching the bas rutten O2 trainer video just hte other day!!!!
in theory it makes sense.
http://www.amazon.com/Official-Bas-Rutten-O2-Trainer/dp/B004V6R9XA (http://www.amazon.com/Official-Bas-Rutten-O2-Trainer/dp/B004V6R9XA)
It's idiotic.
Da-denga-da-denga-da-deng! Your Altitude training mask will help you survive attacks in bars, and you always remember to use the ambiance to your advantage!
-El Guapo
Quote from: El Matador on June 13, 2011, 12:07:20 PM
just kidding dude, that sounds unpleasant.
It's weird. It hasn't been bad enough to completely shut me down, but it's also clear that something is not right... I wish it would either put me out of commission or go away, but this halfway nonesense is really frustrating.
I tried to train yesterday and was able to wheeze through a workout, but I couldn't sustain any intensity... it was like I was just going through the motions. I think not being able to go all-out has been a bigger pain in the ass than any of the actual symptoms of the URI.
It's the most annoying illness I've ever had.
Instructor had to go away today and left sparring class up to us. Lets just say it got out of hand and it turned into a fun brawl with a few knockouts.
Went up against a TKD guy and he sidekick me in the bladder and i just flopped over. I did manage to get back up and finish the round, but i think i might be pissing blood tonight from how hard that kick was.
Overall very fun night, we were playing Shark Bait. 1 man vs 5 fresh bodies 40 second rounds.
in love,
lijing's demo reel #2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r41R7GiHQoU&feature=related#normal)
Quote from: He Man on June 14, 2011, 08:56:49 PM
Instructor had to go away today and left sparring class up to us. Lets just say it got out of hand and it turned into a fun brawl with a few knockouts.
Went up against a TKD guy and he sidekick me in the bladder and i just flopped over. I did manage to get back up and finish the round, but i think i might be pissing blood tonight from how hard that kick was.
Overall very fun night, we were playing Shark Bait. 1 man vs 5 fresh bodies 40 second rounds.
Damn, a side kick in the bread basket! We drilled to do a lunging punch in that area but I never bothered with it in sparring since I didn't think it works.
I freaking sprained my ankle when some 16 year old tried to throw me....Fawking white belts! [bang]
I just noticed this thread, and as a martial artist myself, I thought I'd add a few cents to this discussion...hope you don't mind...
First, regarding the short-guy-trying-to-get-the-taller-guy...I'd like to suggest one of my favorite TKD attacks: the quick front leg snap/push kick to the hip flexor. If you can get that kick up fast enough (which you should since it is your front leg) you can push Mr. Tallguy's hip flexor and force him to double over a bit. 9 times out of 10, unless he is a real player, his chin is then exposed (and lowered) for a nice upper cut. My only other thought, and what I try to do when fighting someone taller and with longer reach than me...is let him come at you, and avoid, avoid, avoid, until he is a bit tired...then try to move in after parrying an outside punch.
For grappling, my best experience is Kuk Sool Won...if you can find a good instructor, you will find yourself in extreme pain over and over, and learn alot in the process. I only stayed in KSW for a year or so as my joints just couldn't take the pain (maybe people were rough on me since they knew I was bb in a different art). But, in that year, I learned more about joint locks and chokes then I have in a lifetime elsewhere.
I, too, have always struggled with cardio. The thing that seems to help me the most, is just to fight as often as I can. I'm a big fan of non/ultralight-contact sparring, especially if you can find other bb's that you can trust not to accidentally hurt you. That way, you can fight over and over and over and work on your cardio and technique without getting beat up badly every day. But, at the end of the day, I still always feel as if I get winded too quickly.
Regarding the nads discussion...wear a cup! I've been kicked hard enough in the junk that once I thought the cup broke. But, the cup absorbed the blow enough for me to finish the round. I see guys in my school lying on the ground from a nut shot from time to time...and if they aren't wearing protection, I have no sympathy for them. I teach everyone to wear one, and if they choose not to...I guess we reap what we sow. Also, I'm not sure if I buy into this or not, but many traditional teachings list a groin strike as a possible fatal blow. I've never heard of this being reality, but what a horrible way to go, eh?
Mike
Quote from: Outlaw1100 on June 15, 2011, 03:44:46 PM
Also, I'm not sure if I buy into this or not, but many traditional teachings list a groin strike as a possible fatal blow. I've never heard of this being reality, but what a horrible way to go, eh?
I died a little just reading that.
tell that to shaolin monks
Shaolin kung fu - Iron egg skill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwhz0wzxF5A#normal)
i seriously think a shaolin monk could make the beast with two backs up an MMA fighter all day long. Why? because they can take some serious punishment
I'd put my money on the MMA guy (if he is good). I've heard that those monks are top-notch at things like stretching, forms, breaking...but no so good at actual fighting. Of course, I'm sure they could all kick MY butt...
Back when I used to train Shotokan a lot, I had an acquaintance that did Kung Fu and would go on and on about how he could make the beast with two backs anyone up etc...
I would invite him to spar all the time but he always had some excuse. Finally one day he came. Right of the bat he went for some sort of flying spining kick that I just stepped aside for. Followed it up with a Jab-cross-hook as soon as he landed and that was pretty much it.
So, my vote is for the MMA guy.
Agreed...although I would say that attitude (of leading with a jump/spin something-or-other) isn't a criticism of Shaolin so much, but a criticism of anyone who thinks it is OK to fight that way. TKD has plenty of people like that too...but you did the right thing: let him throw the technique, get out of the way, and then counter as he's landing. Or better yet, kick him in the rear as he's spinning and knock him out of the air.
Spinning techniques should only be used after a good set-up and you've got your opponent is on his heels. Jumping techniques should only be used in the movies.
Quote from: Outlaw1100 on June 16, 2011, 11:47:08 AM
Jumping techniques should only be used in the movies.
Or in pussy point sparring...
this is my opinion and how i view it.
Kung fu = chinese martial arts
Karate = japanese martial arts
In modern days, kung fu is taught as a way to pass on a tradition. Rarely will you find someone who learned kung fu specifically to fight. You have to be a master at it to use it effectively. Drillers are killers i guess.
Karate on the other hand, all forms of it, is taught as tradition and self defense. A karate guy can kick most peoples asses. Their sparring is pretty hardcore. THe system is much simpler than kung fu as well.
TKD is well.... i dont think its effective unless you mix it with something. Lots of TKD people move over to kickboxing or Muay tHai and become REALLY good fighters.
MMA is meant strictly for fighting. No one learns MMA for self defense, it comes as a byproduct. MMA is a sport. That is why you do not learn how to deal with real life scenarios. Muay Thai, BJJ, boxing, all those things have rules to fighting.
If you wanted to learn how to defend yourself, you would look to a self defense type of martial arts. Something simple, gets to the point and can tolerate a wide range of attacks with little thinking involved. Krav Maga is one, Dog Brothers teachers a specific system as well, and from what i've seen Wing Chung stands out as a highly effectice Kung Fu that is strictly meant for self defense.
with that said, can someone teach me how to do a side kick? Bruce Lees side kicks are INSNAE!
Quote from: El Matador on June 16, 2011, 09:29:38 AM
Back when I used to train Shotokan a lot, I had an acquaintance that did Kung Fu and would go on and on about how he could make the beast with two backs anyone up etc...
I would invite him to spar all the time but he always had some excuse. Finally one day he came. Right of the bat he went for some sort of flying spining kick that I just stepped aside for. Followed it up with a Jab-cross-hook as soon as he landed and that was pretty much it.
So, my vote is for the MMA guy.
NICE! Another Shotokan Karateka!
Quotethis is my opinion and how i view it.
He Man...in general I agree with your opinions on this. I know that, for myself who has TKD as my core martial art, I became a much better fighter once I started taking other martial arts (i.e. Kuk Sool Won) to supplement it. I don't think, however, that there is a flaw with the art itself; rather the manner in which we've Americanized it.
But, I do have to say that when I spar, the TKD basics come out first - the front snaps, the side kicks - my leg has a longer reach than everyone else's arms, so if the kicks could end a fight, all the better. Problem is, many TKD artists don't really know what to do if a fight gets into grappling/clinch range. They think that the kicks will carry the day...but that sure is putting a lot of faith on one dimension!
Who wins if you put a top TKD guy, a top Karate guy, a top Kung Fu guy, a top BJJ guy, a top boxer, a top street fighter (you get the point)...into a ring to fight it out? The best **Fighter** wins...not the best art. Once you get to a certain level, the style falls away and the fighter alone will determine win or loss. I heard that once, and it has really stuck with me.
Mike
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 02, 2011, 10:16:35 AM
That makes me :'(
Does anyone here do any grappling art. I was doing BJJ but damn is it expensive!!!! $150/month compared to $5.83/month for Judo plus $50 for yearly registration. I'm blessed with a club that does both standing and newaza (ground game).
Oh man! where do you go to pay 5.83.month for Judo! I used to train at an academy in DC (BJJ and Capoeira) and it was F-in EXPENSIVE!
Quote from: Outlaw1100 on June 16, 2011, 07:09:06 PM
Who wins if you put a top TKD guy, a top Karate guy, a top Kung Fu guy, a top BJJ guy, a top boxer, a top street fighter (you get the point)...into a ring to fight it out? The best **Fighter** wins...not the best art. Once you get to a certain level, the style falls away and the fighter alone will determine win or loss. I heard that once, and it has really stuck with me.
That was what the UFC was at the beginning. That's exactly why we now have "MMA".
TKD is simply not effective as a self-defense martial art. Neither is kung fu. But it similar respects BJJ is not either. If you're being attacked by 3 opponents, are you going to go to the ground and grapple? Like He-man said, MMA is a sport with rules. If you're looking for a true self-defense martial art, you better look at Krav.
QuoteTKD is simply not effective as a self-defense martial art.
I can only agree with that statement if you add the word 'Americanized' in front of the TKD. Traditional TKD teaches good self-defense skills, but some of that has fallen away as TKD has been turned into a sport by many practitioners. You mention fighting 3-on-1...TKD fits perfectly in that category - as when you are defending yourself against multiple attackers you absolutely want to try and fight from a distance and that is right up TKD's alley.
In general, I don't support or agree with anyone who says 'Art X is not as effective at self defense as Art Y'. It's about the fighter, not the art.
Mike
Quote from: djrashonal on June 16, 2011, 11:48:32 PM
Oh man! where do you go to pay 5.83.month for Judo! I used to train at an academy in DC (BJJ and Capoeira) and it was F-in EXPENSIVE!
I train with Tidewater Judo Club in Va Beach. We are under the USJF and most of our tournaments are in the DC area. Where in DC are you? Great clubs, the best one would have to be sport Judo in Arlington/Alexandria, and there is a club near University of Maryland. But I'm guessing they are charging 40 bucks a month.
Regarding Sport vs. S.D.
My BJJ instructor, Gustavo Machado said, "In Brazil, you don't do Jiu Jitsu in the streets!" Take it for what its worth, he's a high ranking black belt too.
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 17, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
My BJJ instructor, Gustavo Machado said, "In Brazil, you don't do Jiu Jitsu in the streets!" Take it for what its worth, he's a high ranking black belt too.
Yep, BJJ proved that when it came to the early days of MMA, it was a force to be reckoned with. Pretty much most of the traditional arts have lost some of the more harsh techniques. Traditional jiu jitsu actually spawned judo. The more traditional arts have been diluted in the US to relate to children. Of course in the countries where these arts originated, they continue to train as they used to, but most, if not all, the people here have been trained outside of those countries.
Krav is a martial art developed specifically for self defense only. There are no tournaments or sanctioned fights. All it's suppose to teach you is how to avoid and survive an attack. Some others martial arts have been developed for this as well.
You hit the nail on the head when you said that introduction of children has diluted many arts. That, along with the sporting aspect of it, and the get-you-a-black-belt-in-18-months crap, is what I mean when I say 'Americanized'.
Quote from: Outlaw1100 on June 17, 2011, 09:47:32 AM
You hit the nail on the head when you said that introduction of children has diluted many arts. That, along with the sporting aspect of it, and the get-you-a-black-belt-in-18-months crap, is what I mean when I say 'Americanized'.
Little Johnny would be bored if he didn't earn a new belt every week. That's why they give them stripes now. Before you would earn like 5 belts, now you have like 30. I've been to some schools where the BBs look like they've been there for 2 months. My first sensei would have died before giving them a BB.
All I have to add to this is, which was already said, generally the best fighter wins regardless of system. That said, I haven't really seen any 'Americanized' TKD practitioners I was impressed with, not to knock them but it has really devolved into a sport, not art or system of fighting. Shotokan has done the same thing, most all tournaments are games of tag. And Judo was only ever developed as a sport.
On another subject, we regularly do planks for stabilizer training. We usually do two one minute sets. Tuesday we decided to try for a single three minute plank. I made it to about 2:50. Last night I made it to 3:15, my instructor went past 4.
Give it a shot and report back, it's tough. And they gotta be flat planks on your elbows.
Quote from: YellowDuck on June 17, 2011, 12:00:36 PM
All I have to add to this is, which was already said, generally the best fighter wins regardless of system. That said, I haven't really seen any 'Americanized' TKD practitioners I was impressed with, not to knock them but it has really devolved into a sport, not art or system of fighting. Shotokan has done the same thing, most all tournaments are games of tag. And Judo was only ever developed as a sport.
On another subject, we regularly do planks for stabilizer training. We usually do two one minute sets. Tuesday we decided to try for a single three minute plank. I made it to about 2:50. Last night I made it to 3:15, my instructor went past 4.
Give it a shot and report back, it's tough. And they gotta be flat planks on your elbows.
It ends up hurting my shoulders before my abs :(
Quote from: bulldogs2k on June 17, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
I train with Tidewater Judo Club in Va Beach. We are under the USJF and most of our tournaments are in the DC area. Where in DC are you? Great clubs, the best one would have to be sport Judo in Arlington/Alexandria, and there is a club near University of Maryland. But I'm guessing they are charging 40 bucks a month.
Regarding Sport vs. S.D.
My BJJ instructor, Gustavo Machado said, "In Brazil, you don't do Jiu Jitsu in the streets!" Take it for what its worth, he's a high ranking black belt too.
I WAS in DC :( but now in AZ for the time being. I was training at Yamasaki Academy in Rockville, but they have since opened a few other locations. I will be in DC for 6 weeks this winter, and may have to do a few drop in classes as I will be staying in College Park across the street from UMD. I'll look them up, thanks for the info!
Quote from: djrashonal on June 17, 2011, 06:57:35 PM
I WAS in DC :( but now in AZ for the time being. I was training at Yamasaki Academy in Rockville, but they have since opened a few other locations. I will be in DC for 6 weeks this winter, and may have to do a few drop in classes as I will be staying in College Park across the street from UMD. I'll look them up, thanks for the info!
College Park Judo is an awesome club. They usually have good players since they get a lot of college students. Unfortunately for me, our club is the only one here, hampton roads area is heavily into the BJJ scene :( and it is EXPENSIVE!!! 150 a month for BJJ [puke]
Oh ya, my last promotion, Kosei Inoue was there (College Park) to do a short seminar.
i pulled my neck musle diving into the ocean. its been 4 days. i cant look down. :\ going to see a doctor tomorrow because the muscle wont relax. when i wake up my necki is stiff like a rock. :( i think i caused some really bad adamage.
Heal up quick!
Yesterday I was rolling with some BJJ'er. It's funny because most of them seriously thought Judokas knew how to roll, they thought that all we did was throws etc. We started on our knees, (I hate starting there, proves no real application) and he pulled guard thinking he was going to easily submit me. Long story short, I passed guard and kimura'd him. He was just a low blue, I find that the higher ranks are much more educated and A LOT harder to fight haha...
i asked a friend of mine who does jits and its insane how long i takes to be a black belt! Just prooves that you must really know your craft to be up there.
I am on a steady diet of ice....cream, thai liniment oil and aleve. im taking aleve, 2 pills every 6 hours for the next few days to help the cramps. its REALLY bad. Thai liniment oil to help relax the muscle and ice to help. its been over 5 days of having this cramp and its keeping me from doing a lot...
any words of advice?
on that note.... what kind of bag do you think is best to train on? heavy bannana bag, the teardrop bags, or something like the Body action system from bas rutten. ;D
I would go for the banana bag.
It is insane how long it takes for BJJ guys to reach BB. Something like 10-15 years!!!! It takes a good judoka to make bb in 4-5 years but a 1st degree black belt in judo means nothing, unlike a 1st degree in bjj. What's scary is a bb in both! [evil]
Quote from: He Man on June 20, 2011, 10:58:26 AM
i asked a friend of mine who does jits and its insane how long i takes to be a black belt! Just prooves that you must really know your craft to be up there.
I am on a steady diet of ice....cream, thai liniment oil and aleve. im taking aleve, 2 pills every 6 hours for the next few days to help the cramps. its REALLY bad. Thai liniment oil to help relax the muscle and ice to help. its been over 5 days of having this cramp and its keeping me from doing a lot...
any words of advice?
on that note.... what kind of bag do you think is best to train on? heavy bannana bag, the teardrop bags, or something like the Body action system from bas rutten. ;D
find a reputable 'Active Release Treatment' practitioner in your area. It will most likely be a chiropractor but could be a physiotherapist or even a massage therapist. Google for one in your area and go for an appointment. If they are any good, one tretment should make major improvements.
Banana bag. Anything else goes whipping around after you really put your shin into it. Sorry to hear about the ailments, get well soon. Sometimes I put two spoonfuls of Tiger Balm on my morning oatmeal to help with muscle soreness. Works like a charm.
No, not really. Don't eat Tiger Balm. Ever. DTRAL is not responsible for your colon bursting into flame if you eat Tiger Balm. Don't do it.
I think I finally burned out the sinus infection with antibiotics. I did a tune-up jog this AM and didn't fall over, so I'm headed back to MT class tonight. 60 minutes of pad work oughta blow the rest of the goblins outta my lungs.
18 days 'til the smoker.
Also look into an osteopathic dr (do) specifically one that practices OMM (manipulative medicine) they should be able to help a lot using counterstrain and various other techniques
thanks for all the tips guys. i am suppose to get insurance in another 2 weeks. so i will check all that stuff out now and make a few calls to set up an appointment shortly there after.
and i was questioning tigerbalm eating.... i read it several times before i moved on.
there was one time i had a sore groin muscle. i applied tiger balm to my nuts. the vaporization of it on my loins made me want to cut my cock off. No lie.
anyway, aleve is working VERY well. i was told by the doc if i take double doses every 6 hours for the first few days it acts as a decent anti inflammatory and also helps relax the muscle so using hte liniment oil with massages will help it lossen up. im only on my 2nd day of double dosing and its doing wonders. but im not sure if its just the painkiller making me not feel it. lol i woke up this morning much less sore than i have in the past fe wdays.
Google - mayofacial release. It will hurt, but it works. I've helped myself recover from pulls/strains/etc several times.
Also, check out rolfing - http://www.rolf.org/ (http://www.rolf.org/)
I've been doing a fit trail the past couple of weeks. 1-1/4 mile per lap, 15 exercises along the way. I pulled three laps last night. I was dead as hell.
Quote from: He Man on June 21, 2011, 05:17:32 PM
there was one time i had a sore groin muscle. i applied tiger balm to my nuts. the vaporization of it on my loins made me want to cut my cock off. No lie.
Under no circumstances should you ever apply TigerBalm near your crotchal region. I even shy away from placing it on my lower back, ever since one particularly sweaty workout caused some to migrate downstream towards the buttcrack and some sensative tissue.
/// So I made it through the workout last night with only minor hacking and wheezing... the legs weren't all there, but I'm thinking if I stay on it I'll be OK for the smoker.
17 Days.
he man, if you want to try acupuncture, i can recommend a really solid one. he has a office in flushing and ctown. he's pretty well known, and he did solid work on me. only prob is that most insurance wont cover acupuncture and he runs about $89-99 a visit. but like i said... he gets results. never believed in the stuff until after he fixed me up. but you gotta make sure you have a decent amount of time free if you want to see him... due to the line he has most of the time, it can take up to 4 hours before you're out of there.
and concerning the tiger balm stuff... as a kid, i was told about how one time someone fainted and they put tiger balm under her nose to wake her back up. so, naturally, i tried it out... freaking horrible idea. everytime you breathed, it would flare up like crazy and then caused me to breath again and flare up etc etc. got stuck sitting there trying my best to wash it off while breathing through my mouth for half an hour :\
and after reading through this thread, i think i might go and take some classes. i've been porking up recently, and this seems like a interesting way to get some exercise in.
Man, Tigerbalm is the bomb, I lived off of that crap when I was a wrestler.
45 minutes on the bag last night. Still horking out lung mustard. Cramping. Damnit.
15 days til the smoker.
On the off days when I'm not at a Muay Thai class, I work out with a buddy that has me doing all this crossfit crap. Sunday we did 100 Burpee clean / presses. Example here: http://youtu.be/d21PK9LclCE (http://youtu.be/d21PK9LclCE)
That guy is using #135. I did mine with #65 and tried to finish in the quickest time possible.
On the 37th push-press, I dropped the #65 bar right down on the bridge of my nose. Racoon eyes today, hurts to touch it... might have broken it.
12 days 'til the Smoker.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on June 27, 2011, 06:50:39 AM
On the off days when I'm not at a Muay Thai class, I work out with a buddy that has me doing all this crossfit crap. Sunday we did 100 Burpee clean / presses. Example here: http://youtu.be/d21PK9LclCE (http://youtu.be/d21PK9LclCE)
That guy is using #135. I did mine with #65 and tried to finish in the quickest time possible.
On the 37th push-press, I dropped the #65 bar right down on the bridge of my nose. Racoon eyes today, hurts to touch it... might have broken it.
12 days 'til the Smoker.
Nice going, champ.
Leg Kicks. They have given me a whole new appreciation for the life and hardships of amputees.
its all about the leg kicks.
I am a righty, but i hardly ever use my right hand.
but heres a favorite combo of mine, buakaw, ali, saki mix up.
My school doenst teach this, its just the way i fight. a left jab in boxing is a set up, but a left "jab" can be a very powerful punch if you throw your body into it, so instead of a jab, its just like a left punch.
anyway
Right punch, left punch left hook to the head, left liver hook, right kick to the leg and then immediately right punch.
the right kick to right punch is a hard thing to do. most people finish with a kick. So you have to really bring hte leg back and stomp it down and turn into a lefty position to give that right punch.
So try this combo out with the smoker and change it up a bit. maybe throw the kick right punch, then do the left hook, left body.
maybe if after the hook to the liver, u get it stung a bit, go back with the hook then uppercut. but the left hand in a right stance can be VERY deadly, especially how Gokhan saki uses it.
Worse is when you meet shin to shin. Roll a rolling pin on your shins. It hurts like hell at first.
after sparing, i swear i have dents in my shin. lol
or when u hit an eblow, or a hip bone by accident.
they dont tell u this at muiay thai classes enough, but ur suppose to hit with the inside of ur shin, not the front of it.
Quote from: He Man on June 27, 2011, 08:26:12 AM
My school doenst teach this, its just the way i fight. a left jab in boxing is a set up, but a left "jab" can be a very powerful punch if you throw your body into it, so instead of a jab, its just like a left punch.
Right punch, left punch left hook to the head, left liver hook, right kick to the leg and then immediately right punch.
We've worked the left from the rear shoulder in a left-foot forward stance before, where it comes as more of a cross. Sounds kinda like what you're describing.
We also work "same side" techinques like you described... throw the technique, then yank that side back to re-set and fire again. Works great when your opponent gets stung somewhere and keeps shielding it the whole round... if he'll only give you the right side, you have to be able to attack it. So re-chamber and throw another one.
10 rounds. Count them 10 mothermake the beast with two backsing 5 minute rounds. 2 minute breaks in between where we had to do 30 guard situps. Rotating partners. Oh and followed by 4 rounds of grappling. To finish things off, 50 burpees. 4 people threw up. I almost did; i had to wait 15 minuted before i trusted my legs enough to ride home.
I think my coach is trying to kill us.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on June 27, 2011, 06:50:39 AM
On the off days when I'm not at a Muay Thai class, I work out with a buddy that has me doing all this crossfit crap. Sunday we did 100 Burpee clean / presses. Example here: http://youtu.be/d21PK9LclCE (http://youtu.be/d21PK9LclCE)
That guy is using #135. I did mine with #65 and tried to finish in the quickest time possible.
On the 37th push-press, I dropped the #65 bar right down on the bridge of my nose. Racoon eyes today, hurts to touch it... might have broken it.
12 days 'til the Smoker.
the vides shows a burpee type movement, into a deadlift, into a wonderful reverse curl.
Quote from: El Matador on June 28, 2011, 11:38:43 AM
10 rounds. Count them 10 mothermake the beast with two backsing 5 minute rounds. 2 minute breaks in between where we had to do 30 guard situps. Rotating partners. Oh and followed by 4 rounds of grappling. To finish things off, 50 burpees. 4 people threw up. I almost did; i had to wait 15 minuted before i trusted my legs enough to ride home.
I think my coach is trying to kill us.
you might want to drive next time lol
Got a huge forearm cramp from Judo tonight, I haven't had one of those since middle school!
Quote from: El Matador on June 28, 2011, 11:38:43 AM
30 guard situps.
What is this 'guard situp'? I tried to youtube it but it had a bunch of instruction for sitting up from guard... i'm assuming the exercise is like that, but I don't roll so I dunno...
Quote from: dropstharockalot on June 30, 2011, 05:37:56 AM
What is this 'guard situp'? I tried to youtube it but it had a bunch of instruction for sitting up from guard... i'm assuming the exercise is like that, but I don't roll so I dunno...
Naw, nothing quite that easy. Basically one person stands up and the other jumps on him, legs around the waist. The person standing needs to stand still while the person with the guard needs to do a situp where the head touches the ground on the way down. It's basically a hanging Situp, but way make the beast with two backsing harder.
Ew.
We usually parter off for pad drills based on size... since I'm tall and skinny, I usually wind up working with a guy that is 20-30lbs heavier than me. This isn't such a big deal during pad work 'cuz I can bump off or fade from the force of their blows (except clinch knees... I just hang on and get rag-doll'd during those), but when we do the bodyweight calisthenics I'm pretty much hosed. So if we did the guard sit-ups you described, 180lbs me would probably wind up holding a 210 lbs guy while he tried to crank out 30 hanging sit-ups.
This weight mis-match kinda bit me on the ass Wednesday night... we did fireman's carry the length of the mats, and I tweaked my groin. It wasn't too bad when I walked out of class, but there was no running yesterday. We'll see if it lets me spar tonight.
9 days 'til the smoker.
The good- banged out a CF workout on Saturday. Didn't smoke, even though all my drunk neighbors kept offering. Rested the strained groin the remainder of the holiday weekend.
The bad- did no cardio for two solid days, embalmed myself in light beer and processed meats the remainder of the holiday weekend.
Counting today, five days 'til the Smoker.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on July 05, 2011, 07:27:14 AM
The good- banged out a CF workout on Saturday. Didn't smoke, even though all my drunk neighbors kept offering. Rested the strained groin the remainder of the holiday weekend.
The bad- did no cardio for two solid days, embalmed myself in light beer and processed meats the remainder of the holiday weekend.
Counting today, five days 'til the Smoker.
I've been running and doind intervals a lot. Hell I woke up an hour early today to do intervals. The problem with that is that it's 9:40 and I'm already starving marvin over here.
I also gave myself a nice little beer embalming over the weekend. Yesterday celebrated by eating half a pack of oreos. I feel like I should be mooing instead of talking.
Also adding that the gym was closed friday through monday for the 4th. I'm jonesing for a good workout.
DTRAL: what promotion is the smoker with?
Man!!!! I had one of those days today. I was Randori'ng with half the lower level belts at Judo tonight so I was working on my technique. Everything clicked and I was ragdolling everyone! Some days, you're the hammer!
I threw someone so hard that he over rotated and fell on his chest, instead of his back. LOL My bad!!! but you gotta take em to dish em!
Quote from: El Matador on July 05, 2011, 07:43:23 AM
DTRAL: what promotion is the smoker with?
None. It's in-house, classmate-vs-classmate. We do one about every eight weeks or so to check up on where we are skill- and fitness-wise.
We don't do that, but we also have the beneifit of having other gyms locally. Fighting someone you spar with leads to bad habbits.
Quote from: He Man on July 06, 2011, 05:44:40 AM
We don't do that, but we also have the beneifit of having other gyms locally. Fighting someone you spar with leads to bad habbits.
I'd agree. I've noticed that guys will do what works against Classmate A when they fight someone outside the school, and kinda act suprised when I doesn't go as planned.
We usually invite other schools, and sometimes they even show up after they say they're coming. I dunno if no one wants to fight us or we're just a pain in the ass to drive to. I think it's 'cuz we never wash our handwraps.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on July 06, 2011, 06:42:47 PM
I'd agree. I've noticed that guys will do what works against Classmate A when they fight someone outside the school, and kinda act suprised when I doesn't go as planned.
We usually invite other schools, and sometimes they even show up after they say they're coming. I dunno if no one wants to fight us or we're just a pain in the ass to drive to. I think it's 'cuz we never wash our handwraps.
That is disgusting. I do the same thing. LOL.
i dont wash my wraps at all, but i try my best ot wash my gloves.
Ew, I was only joking. That's disgusting! Of course we wash our wraps. What kind of filthy school do you train at?
//bleaches wraps e'rry night, for realz. F*ck staph / mrsa / scurvey / ricketts / all that nonsense.
i do not wash my wraps. well i lied, ive had my red wraps for about 4 years now, and ive only washed them....8? times. yea ill go with that.
my gloves on the other hand, every month.
Well, that went horribly.
No one in my weight class showed up to the smoker, so I wound up paired with one of the instructors. He put me on the canvas with a head kick.
Lotsa prep for 45 seconds of fight.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on July 10, 2011, 07:10:08 AM
Well, that went horribly.
No one in my weight class showed up to the smoker, so I wound up paired with one of the instructors. He put me on the canvas with a head kick.
Lotsa prep for 45 seconds of fight.
Damn that sucks. But I bet you'll never drop your hands like that again. Lotsa Ice in the back of the neck and a few tylenol and the headache will go away tomorrow :P
Ouch!
So do you guys train with any pro fighters?
There's a couple in my gym, but mainly this guy:
Ramirez vs Leonard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6AF48rxTiI&feature=related#normal)
He has the best damn boxing I've ever seen. He should be the regional champion if it wasnt for a bullshit decision. I'm sporting a nice little black eye he gave me yesterday.
I have a practiced with a few international level Judoka. One is a SEAL and the other represented Philippines in the Asian games. I am very small and compact and weighing in at 220 lbs, both are 180-190 lbs and they ragdolled me silly. I've been 5-point slammed during my freestyle days, but nothing compared to what they put me through! :'(
Quote from: El Matador on July 10, 2011, 07:20:12 AM
Damn that sucks. But I bet you'll never drop your hands like that again. Lotsa Ice in the back of the neck and a few tylenol and the headache will go away tomorrow :P
I think I'm back to normal... whatever "normal" is. Made it through an hour of pad class and 30mins of touch sparring yesterday w/ no issues. Just a longer list of stuff to work on fixing.
No pro guys, but I used to train at Yamasaki Academy under Mario (The UFC ref) and Fernando Yamasaki. Cool Guys, great BJJ!
Quote from: djrashonal on July 14, 2011, 04:36:45 PM
Cool Guys, great BJJ!
I originally read this differently [laugh]
Bacon Junkie Juice?
;D
[bacon]
Looks like that's my last fight until winter... the wife convinced me (read: "broke out the thong") to coach the kiddie's soccer team, taking away two training days per week. No way I'm staying in smoker shape between that and the night meetings I have to host for my job.
Once the decision was made, I celebrated with a weekend of microbrew festivals and Taco Bell. My intestines hate me right now.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on July 19, 2011, 05:41:12 AM
Looks like that's my last fight until winter... the wife convinced me (read: "broke out the thong") to coach the kiddie's soccer team, taking away two training days per week. No way I'm staying in smoker shape between that and the night meetings I have to host for my job.
Once the decision was made, I celebrated with a weekend of microbrew festivals and Taco Bell. My intestines hate me right now.
"night meetings I have to host for my job" = READ: sex toy parties
Quote from: djrashonal on July 19, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
"night meetings I have to host for my job" = READ: sex toy parties
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
secret office am videos FTW!
Quote from: djrashonal on July 19, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
"night meetings I have to host for my job" = READ: sex toy parties
///shudders uncontrollably///
Ew, dude, they're zoning board meetings... the average attendee is like 63 years old. You've just given me a horrible, horrible mental image to deal with over the next few weeks.
///runs to pour mouthwash in eyes///
FREAKING SUCKS!!! I went for a shoulder throw (seoi nage) and heard a pop in my calf...Turns out, I tore it.... [bang]
Getting old hurts!
Quote from: dropstharockalot on July 20, 2011, 05:42:24 AM
///shudders uncontrollably///
Ew, dude, they're zoning board meetings... the average attendee is like 63 years old. You've just given me a horrible, horrible mental image to deal with over the next few weeks.
///runs to pour mouthwash in eyes///
Use it as motivation, since you're gonna be running reduced training with soccer coming up [thumbsup]
Channel the anger and disgust! Whenever you get one of those mental images punch it in the face......with a sex toy [evil]
Quote from: djrashonal on July 23, 2011, 07:10:42 AM
Channel the anger and disgust! Whenever you get one of those mental images punch it in the face......with a sex toy [evil]
Of all the random things we have laying around the Planning & Zoning office to bludgeon someone with... a sex toy just isn't one of them.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on July 26, 2011, 08:27:29 AM
Of all the random things we have laying around the Planning & Zoning office to bludgeon someone with... a sex toy just isn't one of them.
Whaaaa? You're doing it wrong, man. death via sex toy bludgeoning is just about the most humiliating thing that can happen. just imagine the funeral
"so how did bill die?"
- "well he was trying to argue about putting in the new shed with the inspector when... He got beat to death with a double sided dildo"
- "A dlldo?"
-"A Dildo. "
-"Damn, i guess i wont try to paint my house orange now"
Just imagine how much easier jor job would be if there was fear of blunt dildo trauma repercussions.
-i
Quote from: El Matador on July 26, 2011, 08:57:36 AM
Just imagine how much easier jor job would be if there was fear of blunt dildo trauma repercussions.
-i
Hmm, you may be on to something... I dunno if I would want to stand before our Town Council and justify the expense claim at a public meeting:
TC Pres: "Moving on to the check register, are there any comments or questions?"
TC VP: "I have one... item seven, for $483.09, identfied as 'Planning Dept. Bag of Dicks'... that seem unusual to anyone else?"
TC Pres: "I'd noted that as well. Mr. Director, can you come to the podium?"
DTRAL: "Thank you for the question, Mr. President. Item seven for $483.09 does reflect our standard 10% municipal discount, and was subject to our standard bid policies. I do realize that typical life-cycle before replacement on our standard ‘Bag of Dicks’ is between 24 and 30 months, however, we’ve seen an increase in customer complaints and disputes over the past four to five months, necessitating a higher frequency of sex-toy bludgeoning.â€
TC Pres: “I see. Is there any discernable pattern or cause?â€
DTRAL: “None that we’ve been able to nail down, although most people seem extra-stressed because of the economy. That, and the generally divisive national political climate seems to be filtering down to us here at the local level… people trying to do more with less resent the government more than usual.â€
TC VP: “So your response is to whallop them with a silicone phallus?â€
DTRAL: “Repeatedly. Sometimes one shot won’t quite do it, and you’ve gotta follow them out the door and down the steps. Old ladies, believe it or not, seem to take the most shots before they calm the hell down…â€
TC Pres: “Is this a matter of needing larger, or, uh, I dunno, heavier rubber ding-a-lings? Maybe ones with more length or girth?â€
DTRAL: “That is worthy of consideration, Mr. President, but that would likely increase our training costs. Most of the staff aren’t certified on anything over twelve inches, and very few of the staff members have graduated to veins and balls… those are features that are prevalent on most of your higher-end models where you really start to get into some heft, so any cost-savings realized through gains in stopping power will likely be offset by other costs in our training cycle.â€
TC VP: “It sounds like you’re doing the best you can with what we can give you at this time. I move we approve the expenditure.â€
TC Pres: “Seconded. That will be all, Mr. Director.â€
that needs to be a youtube 30 second scene.
Quote from: dropstharockalot on August 01, 2011, 01:28:26 PM
Hmm, you may be on to something... I dunno if I would want to stand before our Town Council and justify the expense claim at a public meeting:
TC Pres: "Moving on to the check register, are there any comments or questions?"
TC VP: "I have one... item seven, for $483.09, identfied as 'Planning Dept. Bag of Dicks'... that seem unusual to anyone else?"
TC Pres: "I'd noted that as well. Mr. Director, can you come to the podium?"
DTRAL: "Thank you for the question, Mr. President. Item seven for $483.09 does reflect our standard 10% municipal discount, and was subject to our standard bid policies. I do realize that typical life-cycle before replacement on our standard ‘Bag of Dicks’ is between 24 and 30 months, however, we’ve seen an increase in customer complaints and disputes over the past four to five months, necessitating a higher frequency of sex-toy bludgeoning.â€
TC Pres: “I see. Is there any discernable pattern or cause?â€
DTRAL: “None that we’ve been able to nail down, although most people seem extra-stressed because of the economy. That, and the generally divisive national political climate seems to be filtering down to us here at the local level… people trying to do more with less resent the government more than usual.â€
TC VP: “So your response is to whallop them with a silicone phallus?â€
DTRAL: “Repeatedly. Sometimes one shot won’t quite do it, and you’ve gotta follow them out the door and down the steps. Old ladies, believe it or not, seem to take the most shots before they calm the hell down…â€
TC Pres: “Is this a matter of needing larger, or, uh, I dunno, heavier rubber ding-a-lings? Maybe ones with more length or girth?â€
DTRAL: “That is worthy of consideration, Mr. President, but that would likely increase our training costs. Most of the staff aren’t certified on anything over twelve inches, and very few of the staff members have graduated to veins and balls… those are features that are prevalent on most of your higher-end models where you really start to get into some heft, so any cost-savings realized through gains in stopping power will likely be offset by other costs in our training cycle.â€
TC VP: “It sounds like you’re doing the best you can with what we can give you at this time. I move we approve the expenditure.â€
TC Pres: “Seconded. That will be all, Mr. Director.â€
Dude... You win. At life, at everything. Just make the beast with two backsing win.
That might be just about the funniest thing I've ever read.
Got my left arm cut open by a toenail last night... 6" scrape/cut, about 1/4 inch deep at the worst point.
Seriously, who comes to class with razor toes? WTF?
Quote from: dropstharockalot on August 11, 2011, 05:33:30 AM
Got my left arm cut open by a toenail last night... 6" scrape/cut, about 1/4 inch deep at the worst point.
Seriously, who comes to class with razor toes? WTF?
WTF?!?!?!?!?!
Seriously, eeeeew.
Sparred with one of the pro fighters yesterday. We did 5 hard rounds.
Dude is about 6'4" and 230lbs. One of these days I'll learn how to walk again, my lead leg is officially dead.
How consistent is the class schedule and structure at your school?
Our head instructor has been experimenting with different scenarios, and it has resulted in several schedule changes and class structure changes. We tried having sparring in every class (attendance tailed off), we tried dedicated units of specific techniques (ex: six-week elbow unit, six week knee unit... too many people fell behind), we tried adding boxing-specific elements (footwork, speedbags, etc... everyone forgot how to kick), we tried street self-defense (knives, escapes, etc... people freaked about actual pressure). We've been all over the map, and nothing seems to stick.
I should note that I loved all of it. I have no complaints about anything that he was teaching or how he was teaching it. I'm more upset that he decided to cut these changes out of the program, since I felt like I was learning a ton... I know change is part of life and I should adapt and STFU, so I pretty much have.
My question is more along the lines of "is this normal?" Has your school gone through phases like this?
Yeap, I think what you are seeing is normal.
In depth, (I don't want to say hardcore, but) hardcore training scares people away. We've been donw to 4 people for extended periods of time.
Our head instructor is a huge boxing fan and was very saddened by the passing of Joe Frazier, so he's been putting us through nothing but boxing drills all week. So, I'm finding out that my hands pretty much suck and I move like I'm stuck in concrete.
Also, my form changes when I no longer have to worry about getting my left thigh blasted with a round kick. Kinda cool to experience the differences in the styles.
My boxing is a lot beter than my Muay Thai.
Welllll, the changes I described in the last page got the best of me... increased job responsibilities coupled with the school's constant schedule shuffling led to me cancelling my MT membership yesterday. It is a very disappointing end to almost five and a half years at this school. This place had been a big part of who I was for quite a while.
Odd that I'm talking about it like I'm already done there when I have another month and a half worth of classes to burn through before I'm all-the-way done... right now, my motivation to attend is pretty thin. maybe a little depression? I dunno...
Anyway, I've shopped a couple of the other area schools to check out my options, but I'm not really feeling any overwhelming desire to jump from one school to the next right now.
Have any of you ever parted with a school after a lengthy period of time spent training? How did it go for you? Did you take time off, find another school asap, shift gears, what?
Thx!
Quote from: dropstharockalot on January 19, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
Have any of you ever parted with a school after a lengthy period of time spent training? How did it go for you? Did you take time off, find another school asap, shift gears, what?
Thx!
It sucked. I tried another school and it help to figure out some bad tendencies I learned from the previous one, but in general I kept comparing to the previous school. The new schools generally can't match what you became accustomed to. Now, if I would have switch to ATT from the get go, then I would have been a lot happier. Going to a world class school when you're younger is much better than when you're in bad shape and almost over the hill. No dojo can ever compare the my original Shotokan school.
I've taken a little of yoshido goju (sp) many moons ago, some is still with me.. pops taught me a bit of jujitsu.. with time constraints, itll be a long time before I can commit to a school.. when I do it will be in wing chun. I've researched it and like it.. yip chun, from the familyof yip man, has a school in nyc. Sadly, by the time im able to join we wont be in ny. Any one here study it?
Our assistant PD Chief has belts on top of belts on top of belts, and he had a group of about five guys that he'd been teaching Wing Chun. I went to use the PD weightroom one Sunday and stumbled into one of their classes... that turned into, "Hey, can we see if this stuff works on the Muay Thai guy?"
His students didn't fare particularly well, but they were not very experienced. When he and I paired off to demonstrate for the students, he was very gracious about not handing me my ass. I was fascinated by the hand techinques - especially the trapping blocks - so now I work with him on it at least once a week. I'll doubt I'll ever get into a belt program because there isn't any actual school around here, but I'm enjoying my exposure to it.
Yea I couldnt care less about belts.. the "school" I trained in was taught by my younger friend who was a black belt.. we trained in a basement where we built a wooden platform andused the wood pillars wrapped in carpet as kicking and elbow post.. I use to shake them with elbow throws where you could feel it up stairs. Ah to be young again.. I like close in combat techniques.. usually that's what a fight ends up becoming in the streets.. strong legs can keep some one at distance if need be.. I haven't trained in almost 10 years.. its sad really..
Can't wait to try wing chun.. I just want to better my self and be able to protect those around me..
Yesterday was the first day back at the gym after my appendectomy. Of course the class was all teeps and core conditioning. To say I'm sore would be an understatement. But I can't wait to go back again tonight. :D
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What do you guys think of Gujo Ryu? A gym close to my house will start to offer classes to adults and it's pretty much the only martial arts option in my area. I know it's traditional, but as I get older, it gets tougher to roll with the youngins.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 20, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
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What do you guys think of Gujo Ryu? A gym close to my house will start to offer classes to adults and it's pretty much the only martial arts option in my area. I know it's traditional, but as I get older, it gets tougher to roll with the youngins.
Don't have any experience with it, but it sounds like a strain of traditional karate?
I got started in martial arts in Shito Ryu and eventually earned a black belt in it. Still, it did very very little for me when I got into MMA and Muay Thai. The best thing it taught me was to close distance and to kick like a mothermake the beast with two backser.
After that I did Shoto Kan for a while, and while much more intense and contact heavy, it's still more of the same.
I went into my first Mma class all cocky about my BB and proceeded to ge the ever living shit kicked out of me by one of the assistant instructors.
It was humbling to say the least.
My friend puts it best, karate is the Dane Cook of martial arts.
I'm not into martial arts anymore to be in MMA. I wouldn't be trying to put someone in a triangle on the street, but I won't be doing a kata on the street either. I would rather break a bottle over some dude's head.
Right now just looking for something that would allow me to stay in shape, but not kick the living shit out of me. I wouldn't mind a few years of the "arts" part of martial arts.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 21, 2012, 09:49:48 AM
I'm not into martial arts anymore to be in MMA. I wouldn't be trying to put someone in a triangle on the street, but I won't be doing a kata on the street either. I would rather break a bottle over some dude's head.
Right now just looking for something that would allow me to stay in shape, but not kick the living shit out of me. I wouldn't mind a few years of the "arts" part of martial arts.
If that's your focus then for sure. It's a good way to stay in shape.
I find jiu jitsu to be the most challenging workout wise. Rolling with a blue belt or higher can be exhausting.
Amen to that, but I will always lose in the flexibility department.
Since I parted with my MT gym, I've just been looking to 1) make sure I'm still learning and 2) learn as much new stuff as possible. I'm right there with you in the whole "I'm not working towards a competition" and the "I just need to stay alive if I'm jumped in the parking lot" category.
So, from that standpoint, I say give the Gojo Ryu a shot. It'll just be another tool in the toolbox especially considering the background that you've already compiled.
Shifting gears...
Just did two days of Kali knife training with our asst. PD chief... wearing a white t-shirt isn't the best idea when the PD coats the trainer blades with green house paint to show strikes. I came out looking like a paintball drive-by victim. I hope like hell I am never attacked with an edged weapon.
Yea, unless your Steven seagal, your usually getting cut..
Day number 4 of going to the gym after surgery. Ouch.
Sparred this morning with one of the pros that has a fight coming up. Apparently I match his opponent's height and reach. It involved getting punched in the face quite a bit. Damn, the gap in skillsets is amazing. I'm one of the better amateurs at the gym, but I can hardly survive against the pros.
Gave the dude 3 of my hardest, most crippling leg kicks (at his request) and the mothermake the beast with two backser didn't even flinch. I'd be limping for a month if I'd taken those.
Eh, you get better going against some one better.. keep at it..
Quote from: cokey on March 22, 2012, 03:24:11 PM
Eh, you get better going against some one better.. keep at it..
Eh I know. Frustrating though. My defense is getting good though hahahah
Lol yea Tht happens when getting hit a lot.. are you doing exercises to get stronger kicks?
Quote from: cokey on March 23, 2012, 11:21:46 AM
Lol yea Tht happens when getting hit a lot.. are you doing exercises to get stronger kicks?
Thats the thing. I do have strong kicks. All the karate has left me with that much at least. What I don't have is strong thighs to take kicks with. And the only thing that makes that better is practice lol.
Those leg kicks hurt no matter how you look at them. :-\ preferably you arent looking at the kicks with your face. ;D
All the pro-am guys have LIGHTNING fast kicks, not so hard, but snappy is the best way to decribe them. next thing you know it, you have whiplash on ur theigh caused by the dudes shin. then you wake up the next morning and you cant walk!!!
I finished an hour and a half sparring session 30 mins ago. In still shaking and nauseous. Damn that was a good workout.
shaking???!!! get some food in ya bro!
Last time i spared for that long, i got TKO via side kick to the bladder. i would of pissed myself if i hadnt sweated out all my liquids. :P
Quote from: He Man on March 23, 2012, 07:17:22 PM
shaking???!!! get some food in ya bro!
Last time i spared for that long, i got TKO via side kick to the bladder. i would of pissed myself if i hadnt sweated out all my liquids. :P
Lol ouch. Yeah things got better once I got some sugar in me.
Back to the grind today though, getting the pros ready for their fight in two weeks is make the beast with two backsing rough.
Lol.. I bet.. keep it up n you'll almost be pro ...
getting punched by the pros turns u into a pro when their sweat falls on you.
N gets in ya mouth? [puke]
try not to blink :-X
Let's survey the damage from today, shall we?
Left arm
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff448/chipo100/476904e5.jpg)
Right arm
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff448/chipo100/a7cc3d4d.jpg)
Left shin
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff448/chipo100/8eb91adf.jpg)
Right shin
(http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff448/chipo100/db3cdee2.jpg)
These are gonna be a whole lot worse tomorrow. I wonder if I'll be able to move
Velcro, blocking a kick with the forearm and uhhh. mosquito bites?
Bro, get some sun on those white ass legs!!
Quote from: He Man on March 27, 2012, 09:22:39 PM
Velcro, blocking a kick with the forearm and uhhh. mosquito bites?
Thais would be from the seams in his shin guards. I was bleeding like crazy when we finished. My left leg hurts the worst though, lol. Both legs are black and blue right now; still training tonight though.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 28, 2012, 07:15:46 AM
Bro, get some sun on those white ass legs!!
I need fo go to the beach! Sadly, there is none in the general vicinity.
A pool will do. I rolled with a guy that loved to rub the make the beast with two backsing velcro from his gloves all over your face. Hated that mothermake the beast with two backser.
Quote from: duccarlos on March 28, 2012, 12:38:20 PM
A pool will do. I rolled with a guy that loved to rub the make the beast with two backsing velcro from his gloves all over your face. Hated that mothermake the beast with two backser.
That is such a shitty thing to do. I will throw a pretty big fit about that. Its training and no one is out to hurt each other like that.
If some of us wear velcro gloves, we tape them up because clinching with them really sucks when it rips glides off your ear
He was an all around dick.
The last couple days been pretty intense at the gym. Yesterday I got to work one-on-one with the instructor on my defense. Apparently, it is a lot worse than I thought it was. Lol.
All in all, I've lost about 10 pounds in the last two weeks going to the gym and eating healthy. I understand a lot of it is water weight but still starting feel like the old me again. These last couple months of not being able to work out because of the appendix thing and that's really screwed me over
Also realized while shaving this morning that the entire underside of my chin is Bruised up. Damn rear naked chokes!!
sounds like shoot boxing!!!!
i havent been in the muay thai gym in almost a year now. This summer im gonna be all over it. Though i think i might have to switch gyms.
do you ever get forced to do kicks and punchs another way when you swap gyms? I've kind of discovered my own preference for kicks and punches and my previous kru would defintely not agree with me on some of it. Most of it came from the realization of hitting the heavy bag.
Depends on the type of gym. You should be fine with Muay Thai if you have the general technique down.
Quote from: duccarlos on April 02, 2012, 03:49:33 AM
Depends on the type of gym. You should be fine with Muay Thai if you have the general technique down.
+2 they should only change your technique if something is glaringly wrong.
Went twice today. And ran to the gym both times. I'll regret this tomorrow.
Quote from: El Matador on April 02, 2012, 08:42:14 PM
Went twice today. And ran to the gym both times. I'll regret this tomorrow.
Oh yes you will. I've found that some times when you do something like this, you don't really feel it until 2 days after. Then you just want to die.
Quote from: duccarlos on April 03, 2012, 10:15:49 AM
Oh yes you will. I've found that some times when you do something like this, you don't really feel it until 2 days after. Then you just want to die.
Pain. My entire existence is now pain. When I move, when I don't move, when I breathe. I feel like my limbs were gangraped by a pack of Viagra fueled gorillas.
Don't sneeze, you'd rather be dead then sneeze when all muscles are sore beyond belief...
Quote from: El Matador on April 03, 2012, 10:41:04 AM
Pain. My entire existence is now pain. When I move, when I don't move, when I breathe. I feel like my limbs were gangraped by a pack of Viagra fueled gorillas.
Ice water soak.
Pretty shitty session tonight. It was like I had no gas tank; I was breathing heavy halfway through the first kicking drill. Come sparring time, I was basically a 180 lb punching bag with legs.
All my energy was gone, and with it my confidence. Blegh. I hope tomorrow is better.
Duccarlos, how's the karate going? Is it to your liking?
Just stop for a few days. you take a beating and you keep beating your self and your going to get hurt. something stupid like a stubbed toe and you cant kick for a feel days.
today i worked out my legs like a beast. I must of fallen to the floor atleast three times after getting the weight off on the hack squat, ATG squat, and the hamstring curls for sure. Tomorrow is 1:30 on the bag. Now i wish i was working with someone to tell me if my technique is sucking or not. i think i might break out the video camera and video tape my heavy bag sessions...
Quote from: He Man on April 04, 2012, 07:35:01 PM
Just stop for a few days. you take a beating and you keep beating your self and your going to get hurt. something stupid like a stubbed toe and you cant kick for a feel days.
today i worked out my legs like a beast. I must of fallen to the floor atleast three times after getting the weight off on the hack squat, ATG squat, and the hamstring curls for sure. Tomorrow is 1:30 on the bag. Now i wish i was working with someone to tell me if my technique is sucking or not. i think i might break out the video camera and video tape my heavy bag sessions...
Nice! Did you end up taking video?
Tonight was BRUTAL. Ended up throwing up at the end. All sparring, boxing only. Really drives home how much my stand up relies on kicks. Gotta work on that. Lol
I started last night after some hellish days at work. The boss is on vacation, so I've been leaving on time. It's definitely the "art" part of martial art, but most importantly, it gets me sweating with some contact thrown in. We did some light sparring and other than controlling the urge to do a double leg into grown-n-pound, it was ok. They realized that they might not want me sparring against lower belts.
I joined a kickboxing gym here and Ive been sparring a lot lately.
the guys here are taller and have better reach than me. Its been very difficult for me to get on the inside without eating shots and then pretty much being super aggressive on the inside which is something im not used to because im a very slow calm fighter.
Im not a big fan of taking a ton of shots to get on the inside. Ive been doing good with some of the guys who dont know how to block kicks very well and ill just abuse their one leg and throw a few punches, but for those who know how to block the kicks, theyve effectively stopped me in the ring. I cant come in with anything and im just getting handled.
Ive been trying to throw the jab, step into the punch and change to lefty to finish a combo and then retreat to a right stance. works pretty well for me since i can very quickly close the distance and i dont mind fighting either stance, but some of the guys catch me doing this and as i transition in the step i get kicked and lose my balance. so its a 50/50 dependign on who im sparring against.
back at my old gym, lots of people my size to spar with. out here...everyone and their mother is taller than me!
any tips? im 5'6" with 66" arm span. Pretty much anyone can outreach me.
Welcome to my world. ;)
I.m 5'8" with short arms, good for bench press , but bad for boxing.
For me, it was about drawing the kind of counterpunch/kick to slip or weave or block to step in with the real attack. What kind of fake attack can tempt that tall opponent to try and tee off on you, but then you use it to get inside. Draw, defend coming in, then attack. Its really just an attack, and you gotta control the distance.
Its risky and you gotta land big shots or get kneed in the face.
Its great to be in the range for a full swing at full power and their long arms are just too cramped to hurt you (well hurt you too much).
Its light sparring nowdays. Too old and too injured!
What koko said. Unfortunately being short means that you either have to be hyper aggresive to get to the inside or play the counter game. Either way will suck.
Quote from: duccarlos on July 04, 2012, 08:56:43 AM
What koko said. Unfortunately being short means that you either have to be hyper aggresive to get to the inside or play the counter game. Either way will suck.
+1. Work on your footwork. Look at Frankie Edgar. Dude has awesome footwork
Ive been watchign a ton of you tube vids on short fighters, especially zambidis!
I hurt my right ankle and im not going to kick with it for a while so that leaves me with a lot more crosses and left kicks than normal. which really means i need to get inside more. Man this is going to suck!
watch old clips of Tyson (pre-buster douglas) to see great technique a short fighter trying to fight inside. Tyson was actually a great defensive fighter at one time, contrary to popular belief.
too many short guys think you have to eat punches to get inside and do so because their perception of getting inside is straight ahead.
A better tactic for shorter fighters to close the range is to move more in a Kali fashion, using triangle type footwork to get side to side, around the long reach and utilize the hooks more. Combined with good defensive movement, this eventually helps open up the inside where uppercuts and more hooks can be utilized.
if what I'm saying doesn't seem to make sense, utube some of the old Tyson clips, he really was the master of close range boxing in his early years.
Quote from: pitbull on July 15, 2012, 07:19:05 AM
watch old clips of Tyson (pre-buster douglas) to see great technique a short fighter trying to fight inside. Tyson was actually a great defensive fighter at one time, contrary to popular belief.
too many short guys think you have to eat punches to get inside and do so because their perception of getting inside is straight ahead.
A better tactic for shorter fighters to close the range is to move more in a Kali fashion, using triangle type footwork to get side to side, around the long reach and utilize the hooks more. Combined with good defensive movement, this eventually helps open up the inside where uppercuts and more hooks can be utilized.
if what I'm saying doesn't seem to make sense, utube some of the old Tyson clips, he really was the master of close range boxing in his early years.
+1. Tyson would often be on the angle as he slipped/weaved in, not dead straight on. Watch for subtle shoulder feints and the like to draw the attack or defensive move. It's really impressive, however this was with his old coaches influence .The footwork and defensive skills are very precise and the preparatory moves for the big hits. People just saw the big hits, but not what preceded them (that goes for the opponemts too). Speedy footwork is essential.
Thanks for your post, you're making me remember stuff.
Quote from: koko64 on July 15, 2012, 01:42:36 PM
+1. Tyson would often be on the angle as he slipped/weaved in, not dead straight on. Watch for subtle shoulder feints and the like to draw the attack or defensive move. It's really impressive, however this was with his old coaches influence .The footwork and defensive skills are very precise and the preparatory moves for the big hits. People just saw the big hits, but not what preceded them (that goes for the opponemts too). Speedy footwork is essential.
Thanks for your post, you're making me remember stuff.
you hit the key word with "footwork".
In almost any power type sport, (ie. fighting, football, soccer, ect) footwork is everything. If you don't have great feet, it's almost impossible to become a great power athlete.
MA LEEEAAAGG!!! OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MA LEAAAGGG!!!
nuff said. that was the longest 30 seconds of trying not to show pain. How do people go bare shin???? just body toughening i guess????
Yep. I do my best at acting tough, but sometimes you just have to sit in a corner and wish for body parts to be amputated.