This Tuesday it will be announced.
great news, I'll leave work early and troll the apple store. :P
;) ;)
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple)
[coffee]
Quote from: muskrat on October 02, 2011, 08:36:05 PM
great news, I'll leave work early and troll the apple store. :P
;) ;)
I don't believe it will be in the stores on tues., just the official unveiling.
Quote from: Buckethead on October 02, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple)
[coffee]
[laugh] [thumbsup]
Quote from: Buckethead on October 02, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple)
[coffee]
[thumbsup] 0.0025% thinner [laugh]
I know it won't. My sarcasm didn't come through, will try harder.
I did rea it's not going to be 4g - hoping that's wrong
Quote from: muskrat on October 03, 2011, 07:43:38 AM
I know it won't. My sarcasm didn't come through, will try harder.
I did rea it's not going to be 4g - hoping that's wrong
well, the carriers have basically changed the definitely of what 4G is... according to t-mobile (north america), hspa+ is 4g.
i think that's a decent possibility for the iPhone 4s, along w/ incorporating one of qualcomm's worldphone chipsets (no separate cdma phone).
i'm expecting a "true 4g" lte-capable iphone(5) next year when the corresponding chipsets get small enough, battery-efficient enough, and there's more widespread lte coverage.
I don't think we as consumers will ever see true 4g...
by the time all of the kinks get worked out, they will have moved on to calling it something different.
and charging even more for it.
I have an I pod video.
It still works like its supposed to.
I'm going to listen to last Saturdays episode of car talk on it on the way down to Marin county tomorrow.
Life is good..
I guess I figure if it breaks I'll look at the new stuff.
According to what I've read 4g reduces the battery life by half on most phones. What a joke
IEEE 4g?
Or cell phone company 4g?
Quote from: Buckethead on October 03, 2011, 08:40:55 PM
IEEE 4g?
Or cell phone company 4g?
the itu-r backtracked and accepted hspa+ as a valid 4g technology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMT-Advanced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMT-Advanced)
that said, carriers have wimax and lte deployed in some cities, but it's certainly not widespread. i doubt we'll see the maximum speeds offered from these technologies, at least not in the US in the near future, but it doesn't really matter at the moment as all our carriers appear to be adopting 5GB caps on data plans.
Quote from: muskrat on October 03, 2011, 08:36:27 PM
According to what I've read 4g reduces the battery life by half on most phones. What a joke
3g was a similar drain on battery when it first appeared on the market. as lte and wimax get more mature
and battery technology gets better, we'll gradually see longer talk/standby times from the phones.
No iphone 5 [thumbsdown]
Quote from: zach on October 04, 2011, 12:26:09 PM
No iphone 5 [thumbsdown]
it's an iphone5 (minus lte) in iphone4 clothing... what's the problem?
Yay, iOS 5 and cloud. Hopefully, I will never have to launch iTunes again.
Siri looks OK, but if this is article is accurate, this is bullshit...
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/sorry-iphone-4-owners-siri-will-be-exclusive-to-the-iphone-4s-2011104/ (http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/sorry-iphone-4-owners-siri-will-be-exclusive-to-the-iphone-4s-2011104/)
Here is Siri, before Apple bought it, running on a 3G:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/02/review-siri-personal-assistant-for-iphone/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/02/review-siri-personal-assistant-for-iphone/1)
I could understand locking out the iPhone 3 users on the basis of performance, but to actually motivate the 3G users to get the latest phone. But the 4? Horsefeathers.
we'll see how full-blown siri runs on the 3gs and 4-non-s once io5 is released to the masses and the jailbreak community gets to it.
fwiw, i'm assuming the 4s also has 2x the system memory. i don't see that spec quoted anywhere, though.
Quote from: derby on October 04, 2011, 01:20:32 PM
it's an iphone5 (minus lte) in iphone4 clothing... what's the problem?
I was really hoping for the rounded shape predicted of the 5. Internals are great, but I would prefer that it dress a little better.
Quote from: zach on October 04, 2011, 01:49:27 PM
I was really hoping for the rounded shape predicted of the 5. Internals are great, but I would prefer that it dress a little better.
the rounded mockup looked really nice, but the rumored "teardop" shape concerned me. i'm not sure how "natural" that would feel in the hand.
hahahaha....
what does the "S" stand for?
Sucker......?
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple)
disclaimer -i feel this way about ANY product that does tiny little incrimental updates in order to trick the masses into upgrading. apple just tends to show up on the radar pretty regularly...
Quote from: herm on October 04, 2011, 04:01:05 PM
hahahaha....
what does the "S" stand for?
Sucker......?
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple)
ahem:
Quote from: Buckethead on October 02, 2011, 08:53:28 PM
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple)
[coffee]
Quote from: herm on October 04, 2011, 04:01:05 PM
disclaimer -i feel this way about ANY product that does tiny little incrimental updates in order to trick the masses into upgrading. apple just tends to show up on the radar pretty regularly...
yeah, "tiny little incremental updates" like a faster proc, more memory, an 8mp camera capable of 1080p video, and a voice assistant... not to mention world phone/cdma/gsm capability.
;D
are we nearing "Scotty, beam me up?" LOL
looks cool. i can imagine the number skits that will come out based on Siri feature. Can't wait.
I am sticking to my iPhone 4. I moved up from flip up motorola phone about a year ago. I am still stoked with it. :)
Quote from: ab on October 04, 2011, 07:26:07 PM
looks cool. i can imagine the number skits that will come out based on Siri feature. Can't wait.
i wonder if it can recognize scottish accents:
Scottish Voice Operated Lift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JcHhA7M-Y#)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/apple/4.png)
3 times in one thread? hahahah!
mine was the first with the actual Mr Hat
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
All the anticipation for nothing. Give us a bigger screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They won't be getting my money [thumbsdown]
Quote from: muskrat on October 04, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
All the anticipation for nothing. Give us a bigger screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They won't be getting my money [thumbsdown]
My G2x screen is about 20% bigger than my friends' Iphone 4g. Faster too.
Bigger screen? It's a phone, why would I need to carry a huge phone in my pocket.
To each their own.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 04, 2011, 08:27:18 PM
mine was the first with the actual Mr Hat
i was going to post the cartoon, but (like you) i could not get the whole thing to link to this thread.
also, had i followed Bucketheads earlier link, i would not have derby'd this post....
Quote from: ab on October 04, 2011, 09:07:53 PM
Bigger screen? It's a phone, why would I need to carry a huge phone in my pocket.
To each their own.
old people have a hard time seeing the numbers in the display
why do you hate old people?
Quote from: herm on October 04, 2011, 10:06:41 PM
i was going to post the cartoon, but (like you) i could not get the whole thing to link to this thread.
also, had i followed Bucketheads earlier link, i would not have derby'd this post....
:-)
there are 3png files, i only wanted the last one for the frothy-faced frame of him seeing the new model announced... :-)
Quote from: ab on October 04, 2011, 09:07:53 PM
Bigger screen? It's a phone, why would I need to carry a huge phone in my pocket.
To each their own.
+1
I ended up with an iphone 4 because it seemed like the last full featured smart phone that fit in my pocket. I dread the day of 5" screens on all phones.
Quote from: mitt on October 05, 2011, 06:39:19 AM
+1
I ended up with an iphone 4 because it seemed like the last full featured smart phone that fit in my pocket. I dread the day of 5" screens on all phones.
eventually, there will be flexible LED displaces. you'll get a folder with an 8" display that folds to 4"
regarding lte:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4925/why-no-lte-iphone-5-blame-28nm-maturity (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4925/why-no-lte-iphone-5-blame-28nm-maturity)
it's important to note that apple isn't the only handset manufacturer waiting for these chips.
Quote from: mitt on October 05, 2011, 06:39:19 AM
+1
I ended up with an iphone 4 because it seemed like the last full featured smart phone that fit in my pocket. I dread the day of 5" screens on all phones.
+1. I bought an I pad 2, which i am more than happy with, and no longer care about my I phone, the wife will get one tho.
Damn thing broke it's own record for pre-sales. 1 million pre-sales in a 24 our period.
I'm downloading the new iTunes software now in order to activate my new iPhone 4S.
(I just got home from a business trip).
Since I'm moving up from the 3G, I'm pretty stoked! [thumbsup]
I'm still using my good ole' 3G that I bought the week they came out.
IIRC that was over 3 years ago.
It still works great. A little slower but this site loads up every time I'm pinchin' a loaf and that's really all that matters
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on October 14, 2011, 04:15:31 PM
I'm downloading the new iTunes software now in order to activate my new iPhone 4S.
(I just got home from a business trip).
Since I'm moving up from the 3G, I'm pretty stoked! [thumbsup]
assuming you have at&t, the activation servers have been hammered... don't be surprised if you end up calling 611 and having them key it manually.
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on October 14, 2011, 04:38:32 PM
A little slower but this site loads up every time I'm pinchin' a loaf and that's really all that matters
make sure you have a clean slice :o
Quote from: derby on October 14, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
assuming you have at&t, the activation servers have been hammered... don't be surprised if you end up calling 611 and having them key it manually.
Yes I do have AT&T, and I had no issues with activation. The longest wait was for iTunes 10.5 to load.
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on October 14, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
Yes I do have AT&T, and I had no issues with activation. The longest wait was for iTunes 10.5 to load.
i (surprisingly) didn't have any issues, either... i guess waiting until after work wasn't so bad after all. ;D
AT&T does not have as many iPhone subscribers as they used to have.
4 million sold in 3 days :o
Android better get their act together fast cause if this is a "disappointing" release, I would hate to see when they come out with the LTE version.
did anyone notice you can't change from 3g back to 2g? if they don't fix this I'm taking it back, way too many dropped calls on 3g
Quote from: muskrat on October 17, 2011, 05:53:31 PM
did anyone notice you can't change from 3g back to 2g? if they don't fix this I'm taking it back, way too many dropped calls on 3g
I rarely if ever have dropped calls with Verizon.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 17, 2011, 06:19:14 PM
I rarely if ever have dropped calls with Verizon.
must you go there? :'(
Quote from: muskrat on October 17, 2011, 07:51:28 PM
must you go there? :'(
Oh I'm sorry, you must have that useless ass carrier. :D
Android has their act together. Apple benefitted from Jobs dying right before the release, even fat old Woz was in line to buy one (on Verizon mind you) to "Remember Steve Jobs"
of that 4 million sales, 3.9 million were already Iphone users.
Android is slowly gaining and will overtake Iphone by next year. Its simply more developer friendly and easier to make price points with.
I have used Iphones but I have a G2x and love it. I can't say that I have all the dumb ass iphone apps available, however, all the useful ones I need are on Android.
iPhone is a better system than Android phones, I have owned both and the difference is huge. Android phones will always be chasing.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 17, 2011, 06:19:14 PM
I rarely if ever have dropped calls with Verizon.
Yep. Switched from ATT to Verizon on day one of Verizon. Can't remember the last time I dropped a call. ATT was several times a day.
I'm giving it 30 days, which is the time I have to return the phone, otherwise I too will be VZ subscriber soon.
Quote from: duccarlos on October 17, 2011, 01:27:51 PM
AT&T does not have as many iPhone subscribers as they used to have.
4 million sold in 3 days :o
Android better get their act together fast cause if this is a "disappointing" release, I would hate to see when they come out with the LTE version.
Android is doing pretty good in terms of share
http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/article.php?CALL_URL=http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394782,00.asp (http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/article.php?CALL_URL=http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394782,00.asp)
This is before the 4s launch
http://www.pcworld.com/article/240650/android_doubles_iphone_in_new_smartphone_sales.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/240650/android_doubles_iphone_in_new_smartphone_sales.html)
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 17, 2011, 09:06:25 PM
iPhone is a better system than Android phones, I have owned both and the difference is huge. Android phones will always be chasing.
It's better only because of the app base.
Android 3.x smokes Iphone in terms of performance. Plus, I can run 2-3-4-10 apps at the same time, like a real computer should. Iphone was designed for simple users (Wozniak's own words) who don't care about the technology and don't care about "technical things."
It's only a matter of time. Sales of Android are already outpacing Iphone.
I can see newgrounds.com on my Droid. Can't see it on iphone.
I can see the website :o
<troll>
I decided to skip the 5 and go straight to the iPhone7
(http://cdn.gottabemobile.com/wp-content/uploads/g27.jpg)
</troll>
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: muskrat on October 18, 2011, 07:04:21 AM
I can see the website :o
you shouldn't be able to view any of the content since it's all <evil> Flash </evil>
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
It's better only because of the app base.
if i wanted a good phone w/ a horrible app base, i'd still have a blackberry.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
Android 3.x smokes Iphone in terms of performance.
android is an operating system (like ios). iphone is hardware.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
Plus, I can run 2-3-4-10 apps at the same time, like a real computer should.
it's not a "real computer," it's a phone... i don't need to be able to play world of warcraft while folding proteins in the background.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
Iphone was designed for simple users (Wozniak's own words) who don't care about the technology and don't care about "technical things."
unless you can point me elsewhere, i think he actually said that iphone (like lisa) was designed to be intuitive/simple to use. i know that lisa was tested with inexperienced users.
fwiw, woz has had very little, if anything, to do with apple since 1987.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
It's only a matter of time. Sales of Android are already outpacing Iphone.
android has (smartly) had the benefit of being available for cdma smartphones. now that iphone is available on sprint and verizon, i'm curious to see how the sales play out. that said, iphone is still "only 3g" until next year.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 06:39:24 AM
I can see newgrounds.com on my Droid. Can't see it on iphone.
:'(
Quote from: derby on October 18, 2011, 09:10:28 AM
if i wanted a good phone w/ a horrible app base, i'd still have a blackberry.
Android app base is growing daily and all of the useful stuff I've need is there for Android.
Quoteandroid is an operating system (like ios). iphone is hardware.
Yes, that's correct from the Marketing department. But Iphone has an OS and hardware. Unlike Android, you have no hope of upgrading that OS unless you buy new hardware. I just bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab (the original one) and upgraded it to Android 2.3 from 2.2 in an hour, and apparently there is a port of 3.0 for it now. It cost me nothing to upgrade.
Quoteit's not a "real computer," it's a phone... i don't need to be able to play world of warcraft while folding proteins in the background.
don't know about you, but i occasionally will run yelp to find a restaurant or browser to find info while i'm on the phone. it's nice to be able to switch between them. multitasking has been around for 30 years now.
Quoteunless you can point me elsewhere, i think he actually said that iphone (like lisa) was designed to be intuitive/simple to use. i know that lisa was tested with inexperienced users.
i can point you. he actually said that iphone was designed for retarded bonobos. Click
here (http://20b.org/):
Quotefwiw, woz has had very little, if anything, to do with apple since 1987.
so?
Quoteandroid has (smartly) had the benefit of being available for cdma smartphones. now that iphone is available on sprint and verizon, i'm curious to see how the sales play out. that said, iphone is still "only 3g" until next year.
good point, however, Google has smartly made it so Android phones back up info to Google's servers, as well as other integrated features. It's going to be a few years because the Apple drones slavishly buy everything Apple poops out (the Lisa computer for instance -- POS).
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
Yes, that's correct from the Marketing department. But Iphone has an OS and hardware. Unlike Android, you have no hope of upgrading that OS unless you buy new hardware. I just bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab (the original one) and upgraded it to Android 2.3 from 2.2 in an hour, and apparently there is a port of 3.0 for it now. It cost me nothing to upgrade.
and two days before the iphone4s was released, i upgraded my "ancient" iphone3gs to ios5. for free... believe it! ;D
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
don't know about you, but i occasionally will run yelp to find a restaurant or browser to find info while i'm on the phone. it's nice to be able to switch between them. multitasking has been around for 30 years now.
i often do the same thing when i'm on a call. no issues on my iphone.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
i can point you. he actually said that iphone was designed for retarded bonobos. Click here (http://20b.org/):
you know i'm not gonna click that, right? ;D
A coupla things - you can run iOS 5 on a 3G. Apple OS is not tied to Apple hardware, but don't get me started about iPhone 4 and Siri. Multitasking has been supported since iOS 4.0 (that's 3.99 iOSes too late in my opinion, but it multitasks) Also, I put as much stock into what Woz has to say about the development of any Apple product as I do a bonobo of average intelligence. He's one of the Mac fanboy spiritual leaders, but as far as anything current goes, just another dude with an opinion. If I wanted to know the best way to put together a circuit on a breadboard, he'd be my guy.
iBreadboard. There, I just patented that - you are all witnesses.
Quote from: derby on October 18, 2011, 10:09:55 AM
and two days before the iphone4s was released, i upgraded my "ancient" iphone3gs to ios5. for free... believe it! ;D
i often do the same thing when i'm on a call. no issues on my iphone.
you only did it recently.
Quoteyou know i'm not gonna click that, right? ;D
you should!! you will like it.
Quote from: il d00d on October 18, 2011, 10:27:35 AM
A coupla things - you can run iOS 5 on a 3G. Apple OS is not tied to Apple hardware, but don't get me started about iPhone 4 and Siri. Multitasking has been supported since iOS 4.0 (that's 3.99 iOSes too late in my opinion, but it multitasks) Also, I put as much stock into what Woz has to say about the development of any Apple product as I do a bonobo of average intelligence. He's one of the Mac fanboy spiritual leaders, but as far as anything current goes, just another dude with an opinion. If I wanted to know the best way to put together a circuit on a breadboard, he'd be my guy.
tell derby he couldn't multitask until upgrading.
Quote
iBreadboard. There, I just patented that - you are all witnesses.
Too late.
http://www.bigstockphoto.de/en/image-15136895/stock-photo-iguitar-ibreadboard (http://www.bigstockphoto.de/en/image-15136895/stock-photo-iguitar-ibreadboard)
[popcorn]
The battery claim on iPhone is horseshit, I've used it today and no more than 4 hours talk time. I'm pissed now >:(
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 10:59:05 AM
you should!! you will like it.
I clicked it. I did not like it.
Liked the new iPhone 4.5 release vid:
The New iPhone 4s (Parody) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j-PB8glrqds#)
Quote from: 1KDS on October 18, 2011, 06:55:10 PM
I clicked it. I did not like it.
Liked the new iPhone 4.5 release vid:
The New iPhone 4s (Parody) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j-PB8glrqds#)
LOL
you know you liked it.
All hail the rikrol
The phone itself is far superior to any of the competitions.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 18, 2011, 08:01:10 PM
The phone itself is far superior to any of the competitions.
i'd put my G2x against it and win. i used my SiL's iPhone 4 for a week and find the G2x to be more responsive, more feature-full, has a better camera (both of them), better HDMI output , a better microSD interface, better network support (wcdma, quad-gsm, wifi), and so on. Also, it's thinner and has a much bigger screen. I cannot say in any way was the Iphone superior except that it's an Apple product and my SiL shat herself complimenting it, while ignoring every line-item feature where the G2x was superior.
Also Kopf, you're comparing it to the Droid Incredible, not exactly a top of the line Android device.
iPhone4 vs HTC Evo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg#)
A bit outdated, but still just as relevant.
Quote from: muskrat on October 18, 2011, 06:04:40 PM
The battery claim on iPhone is horseshit, I've used it today and no more than 4 hours talk time. I'm pissed now >:(
what are you using for your email accounts? exchange/imap/icloud? how many accounts?
what about your calendars?
push/fetch? how often? manual?
Quote from: 1KDS on October 18, 2011, 08:11:04 PM
Also Kopf, you're comparing it to the Droid Incredible, not exactly a top of the line Android device.
True, but the hardware is superior to any of the plastic phones.
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 18, 2011, 09:05:09 PM
True, but the hardware is superior to any of the plastic phones.
Plastic yes, but what about stainless steel? 7 mm thick...
(http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=nullF7266192-9C19-0960-6A39-FE341338524F.jpg&width=500)
http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/18/8382232-motorola-reveals-droid-razr-worlds-thinnest-smartphone (http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/18/8382232-motorola-reveals-droid-razr-worlds-thinnest-smartphone)
QuoteThe DROID RAZR seems to be the thinnest smartphone yet, at just 7.1mm. Other characteristics of the device are pretty much what we expected - a 4.3" HD screen of the Super AMOLED type, as well as a dual-core 1.2GHz processor. Obviously, Moto seems to have done some tremendous work with regards to battery life, :oas it promises talk time of 12.5 hours, as well as 8.9 hours of video playback out of the DROID RAZR's 1800mAh battery.
You should start your own thread, as this one is about the new iPhone. :-*
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 18, 2011, 09:18:10 PM
You should start your own thread, as this one is about the new iPhone. :-*
Bwahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahaa
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
[drink]
I'm sorry to poop on your Apple-analingus parade, I forget what a delicate flower you are.... ;-)
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 10:59:05 AM
you only did it recently.
yes, but 4.x was available (again, free) for the iphone3g and 3gs well over a year ago...
the razr looks like a nice phone. i've seen conflicting information on whether it does/doesn't do lte. some spec sheets i've seen say it tops out at "just" hspa+ (like the iphone 4s).
it also won't come installed w/ android 4.x, instead shipping with 2.3.5, which brings me to another point. you assert that apple ios upgrade availability for specific hardware is at apple's whim. yet android upgrades are phone-specific and subject to being made available by the handset manufacturers or carriers. the 4.x update for the razr is reportedly targeted for 1q 2012.
Ah the old open environment vs walled garden debate.
if you want some more entertainment on this, pick up CNETs buzz out loud and go back a bit. Molly Wood gets very excited about the Thunderbolt then finds all sorts of issues with the OS fragmentation that's rife on the Android platform.
I deal with computer shit all day. When I was younger and had more time/energy something that was more open and I could f-with to my hearts-content was appealing. For many years I built my own computers from the case up.. and I still like to prod my computers.
But, a phone is a phone... I want it to work. I don't wish to worry about a kernel panic and bricking on a freaking phone because the cell service provider I have can't get their shit right. The android is a good platform, but there's too much control in the hands of folks who can't sort it out.
Yeah, the iphone is premium priced. Yeah, it tends to lag behind on the bleeding edge features that some of the other phones are sporting. But, mine's never given me issues, even when I poke, prod, jailbreak and open the case.
Oh and the app store isn't lousy with malware ;D
For me, it didn't make any sense at all to buy a smartphone until someone built one that could handle this, among other indignities:
Casio G'zOne Commando Smartphone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG7MowOTBcM#)
The OS, apps, etc. were secondary considerations, well behind durability, and Apple doesn't want or need that market.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 09:08:54 PM
Plastic yes, but what about stainless steel? 7 mm thick...
It's 10mm total thickness btw. The 7mm bit is a red herring. The majority of the body is 7mm thick, true true. But the camera sticks out the back like some optical wart. So total overall thickness, it's thicker than the 4 series of iPhones.
Looking at the abuse my phone case has taken, I prefer not to have an protrusions like the camera bumps. But there's android phones that meet that criteria
I got this: http://www.lifeproof.com/lifeproof-store/apple-cases/iphone-4 (http://www.lifeproof.com/lifeproof-store/apple-cases/iphone-4)
Works like a champ so far.
I'm not the 1st to post that case up here though
Quote from: derby on October 18, 2011, 08:37:16 PM
what are you using for your email accounts? exchange/imap/icloud? how many accounts?
what about your calendars?
push/fetch? how often? manual?
All of them are off. I have two accounts but push is off. I'll wait till weeks end but by 11 this morning it went from 100% to 63% with about 1 hour talk on 3G here in grand rapids where I'm traveling currently.
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-nexus/4505-6452_7-35042961.html?tag=TOCcarouselMain.0 (http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-nexus/4505-6452_7-35042961.html?tag=TOCcarouselMain.0)
Quote from: muskrat on October 19, 2011, 12:44:30 PM
All of them are off. I have two accounts but push is off. I'll wait till weeks end but by 11 this morning it went from 100% to 63% with about 1 hour talk on 3G here in grand rapids where I'm traveling currently.
i've got 4 email accounts, all configured for exchange/push, and two calendars (icloud and google/caldav). i've gone from 100% to 85% in 8 hours with a 1.5hr support call to vmware on there.
you either got a bum battery, or there's some hidden battery-suck running on your phone.
Quote from: ducatiz on October 19, 2011, 03:53:24 AM
I'm sorry to poop on your Apple-analingus parade, I forget what a delicate flower you are.... ;-)
Who are you kidding, in between running multiple apps, if your phone had balls you'd be gargling them. :-*
Quote from: kopfjäger on October 19, 2011, 04:53:43 PM
Who are you kidding, in between running multiple apps, if your phone had balls you'd be gargling them. :-*
LOL
Have you used up the year supply of feminine products that came with your iPhone?
[laugh]. All except the Chig-Away.
Quote from: Sad Panda on October 19, 2011, 12:32:41 PM
Looking at the abuse my phone case has taken, I prefer not to have an protrusions like the camera bumps. But there's android phones that meet that criteria
I had the Droid X and now the Bionic, both with the Moto cam bump. I thought it was very strange at first on the DX but quickly got used to it and liked it. It gave me a good reference point when pulling it out of my pocket to know which end was up.
Wife has been bugging me to get an Iphone so we went out tonight and bought the new 4s + accessories. What can I expect from this phone? I know the iphone geeks are heartbroken that the 5 isn't out yet but we've never had iphones and don't use all those apps..
yet!
What are a few must haves?
awaits the smart azz camera remarks!
[popcorn]
Around me is a MUST app and free, units, shazaam, scan and words with friends, and lastly gps nav 2 and pure map are both great.
Dont use directions on the installed maps software it wont speak them like the two above.
Hope you battery is better than mine. Im returning this shit tomorrow.
Thanks M! [thumbsup]
alright folks need some help. I have ATT and travel extensively from Michigan to the Dakotas and straight South to the border. ATT sucks and drops calls constantly unless I take off 3g which the new phone 4s does NOT allow me to do. I use the tethering feature so I want good speed to connect my computer or Ipad while traveling. I need your experience with both carriers please. I'm returning the 4s today and going back to my regular iphone 4 due to poor battery performance. I'll decide tomorrow if I want to change to Verizon but based on the coverage maps and lack of "dropped calls" it seems the way to go. Thoughts?
I can't really speak for att since I've never used their service but VZW's coverage is excellent, I always have enough coverage to tether my laptop even when traveling in less populated areas.
step 1 done: phone returned
Quote from: IZ on October 21, 2011, 01:04:42 AM
Wife has been bugging me to get an Iphone so we went out tonight and bought the new 4s + accessories. What can I expect from this phone? I know the iphone geeks are heartbroken that the 5 isn't out yet but we've never had iphones and don't use all those apps..
yet!
What are a few must haves?
Must have apps for the IZ family? Probably Zillow, Realtor.com, Uhaul, Yelp, and monster.com. :)
Quote from: hbliam on October 23, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
Must have apps for the IZ family? Probably Zillow, Realtor.com, Uhaul, Yelp, and monster.com. :)
i would add the AAA app...
Needed a laugh. Funny!
My experience with VRZ:
1) great coverage
2) no GSM. With no SIM = no backup phone
3) excellent voice quality
4) limited intenational or even in Puerto Rico
5) Prizes higher than comperable plans for Sprint and AT&T (at least in Florida)
Having tested for Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, AT&T, T-Mobile and US Cellular all over the country, I have found the following (as it relates to reception quality ONLY and in no particular order):
1. Sprint: Great coverage through major interstate corridors and around major metro areas. Service gets sketchy outside of those main areas.
2. Verizon: With the sheer number of legacy networks they bought in the early 2000s, their coverage improved greatly. From Detroit to Cheyenne and Mexican border to the Canadian, I never found a single spot where Verizon didn't have coverage. They also have very good "roaming" contracts with other carriers. Coverage did have a few questionable spots in the central Rockies but never more than a hole a couple of miles big.
3. AT&T(and now Alltel): Before the acquisition of Alltel, was pretty much along the same lines as Sprint or T-Mobile. They have expanded their network with the purchase of Alltel but still have gaping holes in true rural areas. Getting better but still not the best out there.
4. T-Mobile: Great coverage through major interstate corridors and around major metro areas. Service gets sketchy outside of those main areas. Hasn't improved as noticeably as Sprint has over the last few years.
5. US Cellular: Sort of regional but bar none the absolute winner when it came to coverage. Not because their network is that good but because they are masters of the coverage contract with other carriers. A prime example is the area around Buffalo, South Dakota...I had phones from all of the carriers listed above and none of them had service except the US Cellular device. When I checked the tower data for the signal I was receiving, it turns out I was on the "South Dakota Rural Emergency Cellular Network" which was put in place for law enforcement to have coverage in those areas. US Cellular had managed to get them to provide cell service to US Cellular customers traveling through those areas. They also had a lot of regional carriers providing them with at the very least cellular service and more often than not, some pretty impressive data connections as well for the middle of nowhere.
FYI... Verizon bought Alltel, not ATT
Thanks for the update by the way.
IZ - you need this: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hipstamatic/id342115564?mt=8 (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hipstamatic/id342115564?mt=8). That way you can claim you meant for your pictures to look like that.
See? Someone did read your fine print! ;D
Quote from: ducatiz on October 18, 2011, 09:26:42 AM
Unlike Android, you have no hope of upgrading that OS unless you buy new hardware. I just bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab (the original one) and upgraded it to Android 2.3 from 2.2 in an hour, and apparently there is a port of 3.0 for it now. It cost me nothing to upgrade.
Quote from: derby on October 19, 2011, 10:07:25 AM
you assert that apple ios upgrade availability for specific hardware is at apple's whim. yet android upgrades are phone-specific and subject to being made available by the handset manufacturers or carriers. the 4.x update for the razr is reportedly targeted for 1q 2012.
more on this... apparently the original android phone owners aren't going to get ice cream sandwich.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/26/the-nexus-one-isnt-invited-to-the-ice-cream-sandwich-social/ (http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/26/the-nexus-one-isnt-invited-to-the-ice-cream-sandwich-social/)
also a chart showing android os availability on available hardare vs ios/iphone:
(http://media.theunderstatement.com/016a_android_orphans.png)
looks like ios has better hardware support than android...
corresponding article:
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support (http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support)
I've never owned a phone for more than 2 years. I don't know many people who do.
Of all the people I know with Iphones, none of them have the original one yet all of them owned it before.
I don't know that this really says anything except that some things have more obsolescence built in than others.
I had my last phone for a year, the one before that for 18 months.
Given that the phone companies run 2 year contracts with a free or low cost phone upgrade, I don't see why it matters beyond 2 years.
My G2X was free from Tmobile.
i am still on my first Android, the HTC Eris (middle of the chart above.) while it is true that i no longer get "official' updates to the OS, i am currently running Gingerbread on it. the phone works at least as well on this version of the Android OS as better on this OS than the one it shipped with.
Quote from: muskrat on October 24, 2011, 09:30:50 AM
FYI... Verizon bought Alltel, not ATT
Thanks for the update by the way.
It was actually split. SD/ND/IA and I believe Minnesota all went to AT&T...being those were mostly where I tested, I had the blinders on outside of that region hehe.
I have great coverage in MN but MI and IL SUCK.
We just arrived today. [thumbsup]
I thought I would like the CF look but may just have to steal the s/o's red case.
(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss158/izaac10_album/4S.jpg)
Quote from: IZ on October 28, 2011, 03:46:51 AM
I thought I would like the CF look but may just have to steal the s/o's red case.
is the red case plastic or aluminum? be careful w/ the metal cases as i hear they can affect reception.
Thanks for the heads up D. Its plastic
I ended up going with the black bumper and front/back "screen" protectors. Minimal thickness added and protects very well.
Also noticed that the Bluetooth is 868956043780 times more efficient than my DroidX was.
Only complaint I have so far is more of a "getting used to it" thing and that is simply the screen size. It does literally everything better/faster than my Droid did.
But I am still diggin' the Droid Razr. My original Moto Razr is still in use and it has been crushed, dropped, thrown, wet, and just about every other bad thing that can happen to a phone. My daughter hates me for it because between her and I, we can't kill the phone and up until I gave that one to her, she had quite literally destroyed over a dozen lesser phones.
Just had all the info/contacts transferred over to the 4s from the BB. Overwhelmed with all the apps and other cool features this thing has. [thumbsup]
Not too sure about this CF case though. I may go back for the other heavy duty case like I had on the BB. It was rugged. The cover slid off and it had a belt clip and stand that popped out.
Element case
Siri is an awesome feature. The more I use it the more I like it.
Quote from: kopfjäger on December 19, 2011, 06:41:31 PM
Siri is an awesome feature. The more I use it the more I like it.
Like this? - NSFW
Siri Argument (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eLELOBuT-Q#)
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on December 20, 2011, 07:43:18 PM
Like this? - NSFW
Siri Argument (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eLELOBuT-Q#)
That is awesome. I was asking her to make a new note or text and she couldn't quite get it, so I said "you're a pain in the ass" and she came back with, "well you're certainly entitled to your opinion" :D
Quote from: ducatiz on October 27, 2011, 09:23:10 AM
I've never owned a phone for more than 2 years. I don't know many people who do.
Of all the people I know with Iphones, none of them have the original one yet all of them owned it before.
I don't know that this really says anything except that some things have more obsolescence built in than others.
I had my last phone for a year, the one before that for 18 months.
Given that the phone companies run 2 year contracts with a free or low cost phone upgrade, I don't see why it matters beyond 2 years.
My G2X was free from Tmobile.
I still have my Iphone 3G from the week it was released.
That was not this past summer or the summer before that but the summer before that. Well over 3 years and running.
Alas, it is much slower now and I certainly would like a new phone, but I'm not sure that I'm going to stick with Apple on this one.
The Motorola Galaxy looks badass
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on December 21, 2011, 04:24:24 AM
I still have my Iphone 3G from the week it was released.
That was not this past summer or the summer before that but the summer before that. Well over 3 years and running.
Alas, it is much slower now and I certainly would like a new phone, but I'm not sure that I'm going to stick with Apple on this one.
The Motorola Galaxy looks badass
The Razor also looks great!
Quote from: lazylightnin717 on December 21, 2011, 04:24:24 AM
I still have my Iphone 3G from the week it was released.
That was not this past summer or the summer before that but the summer before that. Well over 3 years and running.
Alas, it is much slower now and I certainly would like a new phone, but I'm not sure that I'm going to stick with Apple on this one.
The Motorola Galaxy looks badass
You mean the Samsung Galaxy?
Yes, it is badass. Amazing. The tablet versions smoke as well.
Maybe we actually will get see an iPhone 5 this time...
from a "trusted" source......you wont be terribly impressed with the next generation Iphone. [thumbsdown]
Quote from: muskrat on August 05, 2012, 08:30:59 AM
from a "trusted" source......you wont be terribly impressed with the next generation Iphone. [thumbsdown]
It's an iPhone 4sj, memorial steve jobs edition.
You can't add any features or apps, it is locked down. It is perfect the way it is.
I put a 32gig memory card in my android the other day. then I took it out.
jailbreaking is available right now for the latest version of IOS. Cydia has some great apps.
Quote from: ducatiz on August 05, 2012, 10:15:13 AM
It's an iPhone 4sj, memorial steve jobs edition.
You can't add any features or apps, it is locked down. It is perfect the way it is.
I put a 32gig memory card in my android the other day. then I took it out.
I'm only using a 16gig 4S right now and it's not full. I don't see the need for a card slot. Not to mention, the android phones I have seen are just too big.
Quote from: hbliam on August 05, 2012, 12:02:42 PM
I'm only using a 16gig 4S right now and it's not full. I don't see the need for a card slot. Not to mention, the android phones I have seen are just too big.
I must have the complete works of Brahms, Mozart and Judas Priest available at all times.
I generally have about 16 gigs of music on my iPhone4 at any given time. More storage capacity wouldn't hurt. ;D
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-things-apple-wont-tell-you-2012-08-07 (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-things-apple-wont-tell-you-2012-08-07)
. It's out and no mention of LTE call battery life but 3G instead? It's revolutionary how the taller screen makes people drool. I'm sadly disappointed in their wasted effort. Now I know why they have been suing everything in sight because this phone has been over a year in production.
I'm in. ;)
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/09/the-iphone-5-is-boring-and-amazing/ (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/09/the-iphone-5-is-boring-and-amazing/)
I'm really disappointing. It's what the 4s should have been. They took the 4 and made it slightly better. They might as well have called it the iPhone4Gs.
so much hype, yet it only brings the iPhone up to par with the current crop.
http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2012/01/meet-the-real-4g.php (http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2012/01/meet-the-real-4g.php)
Quote from: herm on September 12, 2012, 07:56:12 PM
so much hype, yet it only brings the iPhone up to par with the current crop.
The hype is from people on the Internet, I've yet to see a commercial from Apple. ;)
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 12, 2012, 08:27:07 PM
The hype is from people on the Internet, I've yet to see a commercial from Apple. ;)
there is a bunch of "magical" hyperbole on the apple store...
Quote from: herm on September 13, 2012, 04:35:10 AM
there is a bunch of "magical" hyperbole on the apple store...
Ahh
Always is.
Right now, they are in an iterative design mode. At some point there will be another great leap forward like the 2x pixel density screens, but until then it's like any other tech product. Each version is a bit better, but lacks a *gasp* factor.
Since I'm still rocking a 3rd generation one that's taken to crapping out at 20% battery, I'll be getting the S4Rs since I passed on the S4R.. er wait. The 5 since I passed on the 4s. It'll be nice to have the faster processor as mine has a bit of a fit if I'm listening to Audible and pop open something like eBay
Everyone expects to be WOW'd with a new version but the phone is already a great platform so there's just not that much to improve on so hard to do something to get the WOW effect w/ an updated version
Quote from: Slide Panda on September 13, 2012, 06:50:24 AM
Always is.
Right now, they are in an iterative design mode. At some point there will be another great leap forward like the 2x pixel density screens, but until then it's like any other tech product. Each version is a bit better, but lacks a *gasp* factor.
Since I'm still rocking a 3rd generation one that's taken to crapping out at 20% battery, I'll be getting the S4Rs since I passed on the S4R.. er wait. The 5 since I passed on the 4s. It'll be nice to have the faster processor as mine has a bit of a fit if I'm listening to Audible and pop open something like eBay
thats as good a reason as any to upgrade, to whatever model. I wonder how many will upgrade from 4/4s to 5?
I may drop by the "magical" store to see what they are all taking and get a prescription ASAP. Maybe I'll be in a better mood too. ;D
Cnet has a whole bunch of information and reviews based on what has been announced, like this comparison between the iPhone, GS3 and Nokia Lumia:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-57510802-233/iphone-5-vs-galaxy-s3-vs-lumia-920-by-the-numbers/ (http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-57510802-233/iphone-5-vs-galaxy-s3-vs-lumia-920-by-the-numbers/)
The iFans will jump on this one, since Apple has been getting beat up about certain things, like screen size, in the past few years. Android fans will say that they didn't do enough. I'm still debating what I will be buying for myself this Xmas. But at least I'll have a chance to get rid of this annoying BlackBerry!!
All I know is there is going to be a lot of good i3 and i4 flooding the market with people upgrading. For someone like me thAt doesn't care about a phone... I might get one a nice used one.
Can get a new iphone 4, with a contact, for free once the new phone hits the market.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=player_embedded#!)
Just goes w/ my theory the world is full of dumb ass people
If you want to read some first class techie snark, it's hard to do better than the first few paragraphs of Farhad Manjoo's (normally a pretty buttoned-down tech writer) reveiw of the 5:
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/09/iphone_5_dock_connector_the_one_incredibly_irksome_feature_that_will_leave_you_cursing_apple_.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/09/iphone_5_dock_connector_the_one_incredibly_irksome_feature_that_will_leave_you_cursing_apple_.html)
And I think he raises an excellent point: the 5 is an incremental improvement (and generally, a pretty good one), but Apple has taught us to look for revolutionary leaps forward with each of these hyper-hyped announcements - and every single one of the incremental improvements on this phone got leaked to the tech press months ago. No surprise that today is such a letdown.
Also not a surprise: Apple designs their own proprietary connector when a replace-it-at-any-truck-stop-or-mini-mart-from-Kansas-to-Karachi mini-USB connector would have worked just as well. No, better.
Well I just pre-ordered mine. I have the 4s right now, and I'm not due for an upgrade so it's costing me around $600 with taxes and all that. I'm planning to sell my current phone to Gazelle when I get the 5 next week. Every time a new phone comes out I'm stuck in the dead middle of my upgrade cycle, that's always been annoying for me because by the time I could upgrade it was already old news and the next generation rumors were buzzing.
I agree it's not a huge advancement from the 4s, I don't really care about a slightly bigger screen, more apps on a single page, but the little features like Panorama and the turn by turn directions in Maps will be useful for me. Thinner and lighter isn't so bad either.
Quote from: triangleforge on September 13, 2012, 02:20:16 PM
Also not a surprise: Apple designs their own proprietary connector when a replace-it-at-any-truck-stop-or-mini-mart-from-Kansas-to-Karachi mini-USB connector would have worked just as well. No, better.
usb is 4 pins.
the outgoing dock connector is 30 pins and the new one is 8.
they're doing more than just charging and data transfer via the dock connector.
http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml (http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml)
No mention of battery durability on 4g is unacceptable to me. Give me a battery that lasts!
Frankly, switching the connector is by far the most douchebag move they have contemplated since the suing of Samsumg. This time they make the beast with two backsed their own customers. Everyone that I know that owns any iPhone also has some device that docks it. All these people will need to shell out the $30 for the connector. Why not just include it in the box? Charging additional for it is BS and it really does show what Apple thinks of their customers. But at the same time, no offense to NoisyDante, I know way too many people that current own a 4s that will need to pay out of pocket a shitload of money to upgrade.
I currently own a 3gs that acts more like an iPod touch and a BB. The 5 is still one of the best smartphones in the market. It's still a race between the Galaxy S3 and the iPhone, even though I will be super pissed when I have to shell out the $30.
Quote from: muskrat on September 14, 2012, 08:01:10 AM
No mention of battery durability on 4g is unacceptable to me. Give me a battery that lasts!
they've given all the pertinent information.
last i checked, at&t doesn't use lte for voice, only data. voice is still over 3g.
i believe the same is true for verizon.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=23835 (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=23835)
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/050812-ctia-volte-259079.html (http://www.networkworld.com/news/2012/050812-ctia-volte-259079.html)
Quote from: duccarlos on September 14, 2012, 08:12:09 AM
Frankly, switching the connector is by far the most douchebag move they have contemplated since the suing of Samsumg. This time they make the beast with two backsed their own customers. Everyone that I know that owns any iPhone also has some device that docks it. All these people will need to shell out the $30 for the connector. Why not just include it in the box? Charging additional for it is BS and it really does show what Apple thinks of their customers.
so are they douches for changing the connector or for not including the adapter?
i'll agree that it sucks, but they
have kept the same connector for ~10 years and, in the same amount of time, other devices have used the following usb connectors:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Usb_connectors.JPG)
i personally have a decent "collection" of 30-pin connector cables, but i only have two "dock" accessories; an actual dock (that came with my first or second ipod nearly a decade ago that i haven't used since getting an ipad), and a nike+ dongle (that i don't use at all).
all but one of my cables is a factory apple cable, the other one interfaces with my pioneer car stereo. i'll likely not change/adapt the latter one since it pretty much always has my 160gb ipod classic attached to it.
Quote from: derby on September 14, 2012, 08:33:29 AM
so are they douches for changing the connector or for not including the adapter?
For not including the adapter. I'm all for innovations, but why in the name of everything that is holy would you not include a $30 adapter? It costs Apple probably less than $5 and it's obvious going to make a huge profit for them, which just makes consumer wonder if making profits over something as small as an adapter is so important for Apple.
looks like they may be including one:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15668307#post15668307 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15668307#post15668307)
Quote from: derby on September 14, 2012, 08:59:24 AM
looks like they may be including one:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15668307#post15668307 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=15668307#post15668307)
They might actually be paying attention to what the consumers are complaining about... what a concept!!
Quote from: derby on September 14, 2012, 02:18:17 AM
usb is 4 pins.
the outgoing dock connector is 30 pins and the new one is 8.
they're doing more than just charging and data transfer via the dock connector.
http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml (http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml)
Absolutely, but they could have kept the old connector or developed one that was compatible.
The only purpose in changing it was to sell more accessories.
No need for the reduced pin connector they should have done USB and expandable memory.
Wasn't it also a space issue that it needed to be smaller to get the phone smaller as well? That's what I picked up on during the presentation. Also I honestly hated the 30 pin connectors, they were big and intrusive and I've even broken a few. Lightning won't have moving parts in it, goes in both ways (that's what she said) and I'll happily use an adapter until devices get updated. I ordered an additional cable with mine, and it's already compatible with my car charger which is a dual USB port.
Quote from: duccarlos on September 14, 2012, 08:12:09 AM
But at the same time, no offense to NoisyDante...
Aaarrggghhh I am so offended! Hulk Smash! Nah none taken, I knew I wasn't posting in a fan page :)
New connector is stupid. There are so many connectors out there already, I can't believe they had to design a new one.
And really, no analog out on it for adapter to work with? There goes $80 alarm clock and a $200 portable stereo...
mitt
Quote from: duccarlos on September 14, 2012, 09:12:50 AM
They might actually be paying attention to what the consumers are complaining about... what a concept!!
or not...
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/14/confusion-over-free-lightning-to-30-pin-adapter-with-iphone-5/ (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/14/confusion-over-free-lightning-to-30-pin-adapter-with-iphone-5/)
Quote from: mitt on September 14, 2012, 10:13:28 AM
New connector is stupid. There are so many connectors out there already, I can't believe they had to design a new one.
i linked to a pinout for the 30-pin above. it's using more than usb's 4 pins. i assume the lightning connector is using all 8 pins.
also, which usb? see my previous link to all the usb versions over the last 10 years apple has used a single 30-pin connector.
Quote from: mitt on September 14, 2012, 10:13:28 AM
And really, no analog out on it for adapter to work with? There goes $80 alarm clock and a $200 portable stereo...
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adapter?fnode=48 (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adapter?fnode=48)
This adapter lets you connect devices with a Lightning connector to many of your 30-pin accessories.* Support for analog audio output, USB audio, as well as syncing and charging. Video output not supported.
Quote from: derby on September 14, 2012, 10:30:26 AMSupport for analog audio output, USB audio, as well as syncing and charging. Video output not supported.[/i]
My G2X has an hdmi output. Love it.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
My G2X has an hdmi output. Love it.
yeah, but why use a cable when you can send it over the air?
http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airplay/ (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airplay/)
;D
Quote from: derby on September 14, 2012, 12:19:09 PM
yeah, but why use a cable when you can send it over the air?
http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airplay/ (http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/airplay/)
;D
I can plug into any HDMI device anywhere. No receiver needed.
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2012, 12:35:38 PM
I can plug into any HDMI device anywhere. No receiver needed.
i own zero hdmi cables... ;D
Quote from: derby on September 14, 2012, 12:38:30 PM
i own zero hdmi cables... ;D
I put on a presentation at a prospective client's office. Plugged my phone into their projector. They all had iPhones and were confused. "Is that a phone???"
Yup.
lightning to hdmi cable forthcoming:
http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-apple-iphone-5-lightning-hdmi-vga-20120914,0,2091031.story (http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-apple-iphone-5-lightning-hdmi-vga-20120914,0,2091031.story)
Direct phone to HDMI in my hand right now. Over a year old. [evil]
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2012, 01:11:30 PM
Direct phone to HDMI in my hand right now. Over a year old. [evil]
yeah, but your phone is over a year old. ;D
Quote from: derby on September 14, 2012, 01:15:59 PM
yeah, but your phone is over a year old. ;D
And your HDMI is vaporware :)
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2012, 01:40:39 PM
And your HDMI is vaporware :)
You should start a thread about 'your' phone, as this one is about the iPhone. :-*
Quote from: kopfjäger on September 14, 2012, 03:36:33 PM
You should start a thread about 'your' phone, as this one is about the iPhone. :-*
[wine]
That's why im posting about how the iPhone stinks...
;D
Quote from: ducatiz on September 14, 2012, 04:06:47 PM
[wine]
That's why im posting about how the iPhone stinks...
;D
Mine smells just fine. :D
To derby,
Not suggesting it had to be a USB.
It could be other, like hdmi etc.
How many connectors does the world need?
Quote from: mitt on September 14, 2012, 07:54:34 PM
How many connectors does the world need?
How many are there?
I have at least 6 old phones, all with different connectors.
Quote from: derby on September 14, 2012, 12:38:30 PM
i own zero hdmi cables... ;D
How does the Airplay box connect to the TV?
Ordered my iPhone 5 early this morning. What a dork I am, angrily posting about the crashing, overloaded, carrier websites on the Mac forums at 1:00 am, with all the other techie types. ;)
Quote from: hbliam on September 14, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
How does the Airplay box connect to the TV?
don't have one at the moment.
Quote from: derby on September 15, 2012, 07:16:56 AM
don't have one at the moment.
But if you did you would need an HDMI to connect the two correct?
Quote from: hbliam on September 15, 2012, 07:42:24 AM
But if you did you would need an HDMI to connect the two correct?
yup, looks that way...
i've been meaning to upgrade/update all my home theater stuff since i moved to california 11 years ago... i guess now that i've moved back to texas i should probably get on that. ;D
no need to rush.
the tech will change soon. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on September 15, 2012, 08:08:45 AM
no need to rush.
the tech will change soon. ;D
honestly, one of my justifications was avoiding blu-ray altogether... i had a pretty "cutting edge" setup in early 2000 when cables went from component>hdmi and optical media players went from progressive-scan/anamorphic widescreen > hd-dvd/blu-ray. i had a really nice progressive scan dvd player and i'd just replaced most of my non-anamorphic dvds with new transfers. i wasn't about to go through the whole process again to get "whatever the next format winner was going to be".
streaming/downloads and a media server is where it's at for me.
What do you have for a media server derby? I'm interested in setting something up, maybe a Mac Mini and then screen sharing with my MBP on the couch to control it.
Looks like I won't be upgrading my iPhone4 eventhough I am now without contact from AT&T. I can't justify it.
The prepaid virgin mobile or boost plan is kind of appealing budget wise.
Just finished reading all the intel on the 5, that is one bad ass phone. I'll sell my 4 and 4s to offset the full cost of the new phone.
Quote from: 1KDS on September 15, 2012, 03:19:29 PM
What do you have for a media server derby? I'm interested in setting something up, maybe a Mac Mini and then screen sharing with my MBP on the couch to control it.
ubuntu linux virtual machine* running sabnzbd (http://sabnzbd.org/), sickbeard (http://sickbeard.com/), and headphones (https://github.com/rembo10/headphones) with xbmc (http://xbmc.org/) viewers.
*it doesn't need to be a virtual machine, but i already had a vmware esxi5 testlab server (http://wahlnetwork.com/2012/03/13/building-esxi-5-whitebox-home-lab-servers/) at home with a ton of nas storage and didn't want to build dedicated hardware for the data side of things.
i'm currently running xbmc on a few computers i had laying around, but i'll eventually build some that are a little more elegant.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6292/iphone-5-a6-not-a15-custom-core (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6292/iphone-5-a6-not-a15-custom-core)
Quote from: derby on September 15, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
ubuntu linux virtual machine* running sabnzbd (http://sabnzbd.org/), sickbeard (http://sickbeard.com/), and headphones (https://github.com/rembo10/headphones) with xbmc (http://xbmc.org/) viewers.
Sounds like a nice setup you've got there, I'm still running Maverick Meerkat on my desktop but it doesn't have nearly the space left to be used as a media server. I'm thinking simple, get a (hopefully) cheap Mini to connect to the TV, screen share with the MBP and connect to nas with my pogoplug.
Quote from: ab on September 15, 2012, 03:24:07 PM
Looks like I won't be upgrading my iPhone4 eventhough I am now without contact from AT&T. I can't justify it.
The prepaid virgin mobile or boost plan is kind of appealing budget wise.
That's what I do. I have a 3GS I got for free and use a pay as you go plan from t-mobile. I spend less than 25 a month (I rarely make phone calls, mostly text) and for 6 months out of the year I'm out of the USA and just get a local sim card to my location in the same phone. Cannot justify a data plan when the device has wifi.
the new phone is apparently pretty fast:
(http://www.subarusvx.com/Android-Benchmarks.gif)
...assuming, of course, the iphone5 benchmarks are legitimate.
The 6 will be out next week... ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on September 16, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
The 6 will be out next week... ;D
What...wait...when can I pre order?
here's the real difference between the 4s and 5:
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/15/hedemeha.jpg)
Quote from: 1KDS on September 16, 2012, 05:24:06 PM
here's the real difference between the 4s and 5:
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/15/hedemeha.jpg)
[clap]
the whole kittennopoodle..
Ooooooooooooooooo. Magical revolution. [roll]
Quote from: 1KDS on September 16, 2012, 05:24:06 PM
here's the real difference between the 4s and 5:
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/15/hedemeha.jpg)
[laugh] [laugh] [laugh]
http://www.montereyherald.com/business/ci_21563138/iphone-5-pre-orders-sell-out (http://www.montereyherald.com/business/ci_21563138/iphone-5-pre-orders-sell-out)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma8bxuPog81r0qs2wo2_500.jpg)
Sorry if this is a derby
First Look: iPhone 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4#)
[clap]
Speaks volumes. [beer]
Oh the power of suggestion.
IOS 6 is available for download on your 4s. Some sweet upgrades.
6 is available down the the 3gs that I have too. Not sure what they changed, but web browsing/page render, especially on the board here is a lot faster.
with the ios 6 download for older phones, you loose the google maps right? That is one reservation I have about going to 6.
mitt
Yeah... you loose google maps.
6 has some nice features, but it's really looking like the apple maps is dogging compared to the googles :-\ Too late for me, well I could roll back but it'd a be an asspain.
So if you're really attached to google maps - don't upgrade the OS. At least not until (if ever) there's a release of a proper google maps app.
Yeah, I upgraded the wife's 4s, but we weren't that attached to Google Maps. It was right only half of the time.
I installed iOS6 on my 4s just to see what the new features would be like when my iPhone 5 comes tomorrow. I actually the Apple maps is amazing, it'll take some getting used to but the visuals are great, the 3D images look like Google Earth, and I think it loads a lot faster than either Google product. Also the Do Not Disturb and Reply With Message features are really helpful. And Panorama works really well too, better than the existing third party apps. I'm pretty happy with this iOS release, most of the time the features added have nothing to do with how I use my phone.
the (intentionally) cut down version of google maps available on the iphone sucked to begin with, so i would imagine that the new IOS6 maps would be an improvement. but i would still find it useless without the turn by turn voice directions that have been available on android phones since 2009
they finally added turn-by-turn. That was one of the the features I was most surprised that they have not added.
I tried the new maps turn by turn feature last night and it worked quite well. I agree that the maps themselves look great.
The big chatter on the interwebs is that, unlike Google Maps, Apple Maps don't have the public transit schedule/route integration built in (yet).
Quote from: Randimus Maximus on September 21, 2012, 08:19:50 AM
I tried the new maps turn by turn feature last night and it worked quite well. I agree that the maps themselves look great.
The big chatter on the interwebs is that, unlike Google Maps, Apple Maps don't have the public transit schedule/route integration built in (yet).
It's also got some serious funky stuff going on with misplacing locations, old databases (showing businesses that disappeared a decade or more ago, etc.), and some "don't try the brown acid" distortions of some of the satellite imagery, like this one:
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maooew7Aqq1rhptwbo1_1280.jpg)
I was on the river at the base of Hoover just a couple of weeks ago, and I don't recall the new bridge dipping down to river level several hundred feet below!
There's more fun at Apple's expense at http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/ (http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/)
I suspect that the app works well 98% of the time, but it hurts Apple's reputation for meticulous design to rush out something this half-baked & open to ridicule. The bigger question is why -- from a business perspective, BOTH Apple and Google end up losing: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/09/21/ios_6_maps_is_terrible_what_business_strategy_is_behind_it_.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/09/21/ios_6_maps_is_terrible_what_business_strategy_is_behind_it_.html)
Siri has been ridiculed for at least a year. I'm sure that derby could find other features they didn't quite get right the first time.
antenna in the 4?
Had battery problems drainage problems on the second day. First day didn't pay it mind because it was pulling songs from iTunes
Yesterday down to 30% at end of day.
Today with Bluetooth off at 2:30 PM down to 95%. Turned on at 7 AM and no phone calls so far because it is Sunday ;D
Hard to believe searching for Bluetooth eats that much power.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mas1subQ0a1rq3b5ko1_500.png)
Update 7 AM to 8:30 PM battery still has 80%.
Much better than yesterday
In other words, don't turn on the bluetooth.
Just curious how the traffic report is on it. As a dedicated android user the Google maps traffic is spot on every time. It gets me there to the minute of what is says. I can't drive without it.
Quote from: duccarlos on September 23, 2012, 07:20:04 PM
In other words, don't turn on the bluetooth.
Yes, unless you use it
Quote from: duccarlos on September 23, 2012, 07:20:04 PM
In other words, don't turn on the bluetooth.
Bluetooth has always sucked the life out of my 3Gs.
Quote from: Slide Panda on September 24, 2012, 06:02:52 AM
Bluetooth has always sucked the life out of my 3Gs.
Yep and make sure to turn off the wifi when not at a hotspot.
turn on and off shit all day long [bang]
why don't they have some smart app like the RAZR to recognize where you are?
OK, I'm finally kind of excited about the 5: from Verizon, at least, it ships unlocked! :o
http://www.slate.com/blogs/trending/2012/09/24/iphone_5_unlocked_verizon_says_its_new_iphones_are_automatically_unlocked_.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/trending/2012/09/24/iphone_5_unlocked_verizon_says_its_new_iphones_are_automatically_unlocked_.html)
Did not charge the phone last night.
Turned on at 7AM this morning. Right now I have 30% left.
Surprised it lasted two days
Hitler Finds Out About Apple's new iOS6 Maps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkDz4wMI9J8&feature=player_detailpage#)
No problems for me with battery life, iPhone 5 lasts all day for me. This thing is much faster than the 4s and noticeably less heavy.
My 5 arrived at my doorstep today. This thing is awesome. My 4S crawled away in tears. :D
The speed of this thing on LTE is faster then when I'm on wifi. :D
Pretty common for most areas of the country unfortunately. Most ISPs are hosing people.
Deciding what my next phone will be and tethered speeds will be a dominant factor in my decision as I tell my current ISP to go sodomize themselves.
Quote from: ZILBERT on November 20, 2012, 09:27:08 AM
Pretty common for most areas of the country unfortunately. Most ISPs are hosing people.
Deciding what my next phone will be and tethered speeds will be a dominant factor in my decision as I tell my current ISP to go sodomize themselves.
Actually you just need to find a carrier that provides LTE coverage in your area (how do you find Podunk on a coverage map?). Just about any smart phone worth a damn will allow you to create a personal hotspot.
Er...that's what I said. Point being, I plan on dropping my landline ISP once I upgrade to an LTE handset.
And all of the carriers have pretty much covered Iowa with LTE. Even the town of 1400 I was going to move to was running around a 40down/40up Verizon LTE connection everywhere in town.
bump
Here is my dilemma, I'm going to be buying a new iPhone, but I'm currently living out of country. I will be buying unlocked. Now, I could buy the 5 for the LTE, but unlike 3g, they will be supporting different frequencies depending on the country. In the US they cover I believe around 8 different frequencies, depending on the carrier. I already checked that the US versions will not support the frequency they plan on using down here. Without that huge advantage, it doesn't make sense for me to buy a 5, so I'm leaning towards just getting the larger 4s.
Thoughts?
unless you're going to use Siri don't buy the S version because the battery life is worse.
But the "support", i.e. iOS upgrades, will be longer with the s.
Indeed but how long do you plan on keeping it?
U usually keep my phones for at least 2 years. if I stay in Chile past my initial contract date, then we're talking around 3 years.
I didn't think they distinguished between the S and non S for updates. Only difference is Siri.
they do. Right now they support up to the 3Gs. iOS 6 will most likely be supported until 4.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2012/12/18/could-maps-and-iphone-be-googles-real-nexus/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2012/12/18/could-maps-and-iphone-be-googles-real-nexus/)