They are bad enough, but in my neck of the woods, they have to be the make the beast with two backsing worst in the world. In the home ownership dream, when did we allow HOAs to turn it all into a huge nightmare?
Care to tell us a tale?
Simple. Moved out of the country for work and decided to rent. First renter looked great on paper, credit report, but in practice was horrible. Broke the lease along with some items inside the townhouse. Was going to skip out until I started asking why he had not paid the rent. Apparently his offspring was also the spawn of the devil.
Fast forward a month and we lucked out by finding a good friend's sister-in-law that needed a place. They're a small family with a young child. We thought that our neighbors would actually appreciate them. We even gave them a deal on the rent and did not request first/last or deposit. When we requested that the HOA interview them we were told that we were not allowed to have anyone in there until the lease ran out. Mind you that the HOA requested a deposit for the previous renter so that if he skipped out "we would be covered". They basically told us that we needed to sue for breach of contract. Being outside the US, we do not have the means to hire a lawyer and go after a guy that probably does not have the money. So we did the unthinkable... we told our renters to move in and say that they are guests of the family. That worked great until the HOA started getting testie with the cars. They wanted to tow them. So we wasted time until the previous lease expired. Now they just needed to be approved, so the renters were requested that they provide the rental agreement. Them not being the sharpest tools gave them some papers we wrote up real quick back in the day so that everyone was "covered". Once the HOA saw the dates the went nuts.
I'm back in Chile, but my wife went to the HOA meeting, where she was basically crucified. We could have just walked away from the property and had another foreclosure ruin their property value. Instead we tried to work with them and they refused. They also told the renters that they needed to get rid of the dog, which leads me to believe that our renters were either not picking up after it or that it was running lose. Now we have to wait 2 weeks until they interview the renters and then the HOA decides if they are "allowed" to rent from us.
You'd think they'd be happy that it's not you there.
Threaten to move back up, that will show 'em.
park the cars in the street, it's maintained by the City and they have no legal right to tow the cars. I had similar crap with my trailer parked more than "3" days without telling them. I too hate HOA's and make it a habit of going to their meetings challenging everything they do but I'm in a detached home. I had two condo's and left them because of the HOA crap.
If I moved back, I would get a pitbull and make sure that it only took a shit on the board members' lawns.
I know there is a reason why you need HOA's. I have seen neighborhoods that would have been better served with one. Our neighborhood is very quiet and would do well with just maintenance of the basic structure and shared areas. I made the mistake of not double and triple checking the original renter. The new people are exactly what is needed to get past the trauma of the other guy.
HOA's are not the problem...tattle tale neighbors and busybodies whom have no life so they assume a position on/in an HOA are where issues like this exist at times....
that being said, it is a dual edged sword...if I lived next to a rental that wasn't being maintained to the standards under which were established by the covenants of the HOA, then I would be glad that the HOA is the possible route for handling issues as apposed to trying to track down a property manager from god knows where or the owner in a far away land to take up my grievances....
I always see the same arguments for HOA's, and it typically seems to boil down to people not actually wanting to talk to their neighbors.
If my tenant is doing something wrong, let me know. They have all my contact info. This is not so much about the tenants. It has to do with the over the top rules that they put in place. If my renter bails on me, why should the HOA care that a find another tenant? In fact, with this rule in place I can't get rid of a bad renter, the type that would shit all over the neighbor's yard. They have to suck it up because they approved them and their rules don't give me the incentive of finding a better renter.
Our HOA keeps pulling shit like that...
Last year was the lowest snowfall total in decades. The snow removal company came out once last year.
They raised our HOA dues citing "increased snow removal costs".
Uh...wtf happened to the surplus from last year?
This year, the snow removal company shows up and doesn't plow our drive and a few other people on the street citing "car parked in driveway".
Uh...it is the neighbor's car and there is more than enough room to plow my half of the driveway.
They also didn't clear the shared sidewalks which they claimed wasn't in their contract.
We contacted the HOA asking why, if they raised HOA dues due to snow removal costs, were we paying more for lesser services.
The next day, the snow removal company was back and remedied the situation. Apparently, our block wasn't the only one to complain.
The last 3 years, my wife and I have had to edge, weed and re-mulch our flower beds.
The HOA agreement states that they will do this in a timely manner each spring. In 2010, they did it in late July. In 2011, early August. In 2012, they didn't do it until late September.
Each time we have ended up doing it, we send them a bill for the materials and labor at a rate of $45/hr. We then withhold the billed amount from our next 2 dues payments.
The first year, they tried to take us to court. Our lawyer had them backed down in 17 minutes (that's how long the "mediation" phone call lasted.)
Since then, they have not said or done anything about the adjusted dues.
Our last dues statement for 2012 showed that they had spent $10,347 on "paper, envelopes, stamps and office supplies".
About a dozen home owners called them out on it at the last HOA meeting. They were only able to provide about $800 in receipts for office supplies.
4 of the home owners have filed a lawsuit against them. They have also refused to hold open elections for the HOA board. They send us a ballot, we select members and yet nobody we ever nominate or elect ends up on the board.
And my wife still wonders why I absolutely loathe HOAs.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 15, 2013, 07:56:15 AM
If I moved back, I would get a pitbull and make sure that it only took a shit on the board members' lawns.
Get a Mastiff..Bigger piles! [evil]
Wow... Guess I've been lucky. My previous place was a little townhouse set up in a condo group - so we had a condo association. They did have open elections and perhaps that's a key differentiator as shit got handled. We had our own maintenance guy who what on the spot for fixing minor matters, clearing walks and probably keeping an eye on contractors like land scape and bigger snow removal.
They actually managed to reduce our monthlies - all of $4, but hey... And fixed my roof after snow damage and basement damage due to improper gutter downspout work that had been recently contracted for.
Didn't like sending them a good bit of my coin each month - but I could see where it went. I'd be all Malitovs and pitchforks if I was you guys too.
Well, they do a pretty good job at being anal about landscaping. They also keep the pool area relatively clean and they repaved the parking area. They do hold elections every year, but you have to be present to nominate and vote. We finally got a new president a few years ago, a guy that lives a few units down. He's a really nice guy and the only person we tolerate from the board. Everyone else has been retired in the same community for years and have their own little mafia going.
We have been actively looking for a piece of land to build on but we have some pretty specific requirements so it has been slow going.
We had our small fence around our patio (HOA is responsible for outside areas as is common) get damaged when the neighbor's downspout and gutter got ripped off the building in a wind storm.
When we contacted the HOA to repair both the neighbors stuff and our fence, they tried to tell us that our dog caused the damage. Sorry...my little JRT isn't quite bulky enough to rip a gutter off the house that is at about 15 feet off the ground.
It's just completely assinine stuff but the builder went bankrupt shortly after they completed our development and passed off those duties to a property management company that treats us like some kind of low income housing project and not high end townhouses in one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the city.
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 15, 2013, 09:21:09 AM
I always see the same arguments for HOA's, and it typically seems to boil down to people not actually wanting to talk to their neighbors.
This
Quote from: zooom on January 15, 2013, 08:10:44 AM
HOA's are not the problem...tattle tale neighbors and busybodies whom have no life so they assume a position on/in an HOA are where issues like this exist at times....
BINGO!!! He have THREE 15MPH signs in my neighborhood because I do shakedown runs through my neighborhood before I hit public streets. We don't even have a mile of streets (NOT state/city/county maintained) in the neighborhood. When I'm riding through in first gear to be sure I didn't do something stupid like forget to attach something important, one of the neighbors stopped me and said I was riding entirely too fast (<20MPH mind you) and needed to just not ride my motorcycle in the neighborhood at all.
Next meeting? He proposed a bunch of signs showing the speed limit and anytime someone wasn't observing a safe speed the police should be called. I didn't bother telling him that in NC if the STATE, CITY or COUNTY didn't put up the sign (also requires a public document detailing EXACT address where speeds change as well) a citation can't be written. I'm WAITING on the day he calls the cops. That's gonna be a funny conversation.
JM
Well, the wish has been running a campaign for the past 2 days. Apparently some lies were told as to how much effort we have put towards getting the tenants "legally" established. Fortunately my wife has kept all the emails sent to the management company. She met today with the renters and the board president and they feel confident that it will be worked out.
I still wonder if exposing my friend's sister-in-law to this make the beast with two backsing HOA is not cruel and unusual punishment.
No don't like everybody dictating my business. It's best not to have an HOA.
You would need to go to the sticks in Florida to find an area without an HOA. When I say the sticks, I mean like the swamp or the ghetto.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 21, 2013, 09:44:45 AM
You would need to go to the sticks in Florida to find an area without an HOA. When I say the sticks, I mean like the swamp or the ghetto.
You could come here.
And freeze my ass off? No thanks.
the hoa here is just to collect money to keep park and other areas clean . . but, when they need some tech adivse they come and visit and bring chocolate cake or brownies . . . wonder why?
Quote from: Darkmonster620 on January 21, 2013, 10:19:25 AM
the hoa here is just to collect money to keep park and other areas clean . . but, when they need some tech adivse they come and visit and bring chocolate cake or brownies . . . wonder why?
Cause they took notes when they listened to "Car Talk"
One more week and I will be off my HOA as board president. 3 year terms, first year I was secretary, second as VP and last as pres. I have never wanted one week to go by so fast! The BOD received death threats from a disgruntled owner after we swept his bank account. This guy is a nut job that had the cops called on him by the concierge staff. Come to find out, he was beating his 10 year old son. We have another owner that owes the HOA 35 thousand and keeps offering 3 to settle.
Most of the 176 units are no problem. The handful that are take up a lot of time and work. We have one guy that owns a popular dive bar comes driving in at 0300, drunk, stoned, and passed out in the wrong parking spot with the engine running. We have called the cops, 911 for EMS and had him towed more then once. Now he hangs out in the lobby yelling about how we are after him.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 22, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
One more week and I will be off my HOA as board president. 3 year terms, first year I was secretary, second as VP and last as pres. I have never wanted one week to go by so fast! The BOD received death threats from a disgruntled owner after we swept his bank account. This guy is a nut job that had the cops called on him by the concierge staff. Come to find out, he was beating his 10 year old son. We have another owner that owes the HOA 35 thousand and keeps offering 3 to settle.
Most of the 176 units are no problem. The handful that are take up a lot of time and work. We have one guy that owns a popular dive bar comes driving in at 0300, drunk, stoned, and passed out in the wrong parking spot with the engine running. We have called the cops, 911 for EMS and had him towed more then once. Now he hangs out in the lobby yelling about how we are after him.
That's pretty far out. We were just talking about some of the stuff we had going on. But its not like that.
Thw biggest issue at our complex is with people trying to run businesses out of their units. Remember that my area are mostly retirees. We do have one guy that goes to the pool area to take showers to lower his water bill. We also have a "no motorcycles" rule. They towed my bike one year because a douche on the other side of the complex parked his for a month and I so happened to decide to park mine for one night the day that the tow truck just happened to decide to take the other guy's. I was mostly happy to find out it was 't stolen.
Quote from: Mendo Dave on January 21, 2013, 10:23:11 AM
Cause they took notes when they listened to "Car Talk"
Yes, they do ask about car stuff, but, I usually go like "the other day a guy called in, asked me to go and see his car, I said, if you cannot bring it to me, it'll be $110.00, $85.00 for diagnostic and $25.00 for mobility fee", they suddenly find it not necessary to ask me about cars . . but, when they were building the entrance gate, I said that it would be better if they 'leveled' the 90° pieces of steel used as rail for the gates rollers . . . the guys installing them said "we know what we're doing, plus, we give a 2yr wty" . . . now, the 2yrs are gone and the gates are having issues, one of the rails has a 'gouge' and the rollers get stuck and the door wont open fully and therefore wont close . . .
They have asked me "what equipment do you need to fix it?" I asked, me, fix it? Can you pay my fees? Or are you going to wave my house fees for a year, at least? 'Cause, I will need someone to help me do this in 2 days, cannot do it during the week since I work from 8~5 M~F . .
That's the reason for so much visits and being nice to me lately . . . My fees to fix the gates, labor only, they supply materials, $750.00 > I must pay my helper/ Yearly fees, $360.00 . . . Up to them now
I spoke when they were erecting the gates . . . NO one listened to the "crazy motorcycle guy"
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 22, 2013, 09:19:08 PM
We have another owner that owes the HOA 35 thousand
How the F did he get to that state? Did he drive a car into the pool or something?
Quote from: Slide Panda on January 23, 2013, 06:19:58 AM
How the F did he get to that state? Did he drive a car into the pool or something?
My building has a rental cap. He was found to be renting outside of the cap. The fine for that is $2,000 a month. He took us to court and lost. Fines, late fee's, interest, legal costs, the hoa dues he is not paying, etc. It all adds up over the months.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 23, 2013, 06:31:22 AM
My building has a rental cap. He was found to be renting outside of the cap. The fine for that is $2,000 a month. He took us to court and lost. Fines, late fee's, interest, legal costs, the hoa dues he is not paying, etc. It all adds up over the months.
and how long till that lien exceeds the value of the property and he can be evicted and the unit sold to satiate the lien?
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 23, 2013, 06:31:22 AM
My building has a rental cap. He was found to be renting outside of the cap. The fine for that is $2,000 a month. He took us to court and lost. Fines, late fee's, interest, legal costs, the hoa dues he is not paying, etc. It all adds up over the months.
...and this is one reason why HOA's suck.
What business is it of anyone's how much he rents his property for?
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2013, 06:38:17 AM
...and this is one reason why HOA's suck.
What business is it of anyone's how much he rents his property for?
I'm sure there's a reason for it. Probably mandated by the City in order to keep rents under control, so that people that work in the city can afford to live there instead of commuting, and making the traffic situation even worse than it already is.
But adding up fines like that is pretty excessive. There should be a cap on that as well. "Fines not to exceed..."
we simply "un-programm" the cellphone of the owner who hasn't paid in 3 months so he/she must pay in order to get home . . .
people think that everything's a given or for free . . . don't want to pay $45.00 for the remote, then pay up the measly $30/month for the community's maintenance . .. which includes the in/out gates
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2013, 06:38:17 AM
...and this is one reason why HOA's suck.
What business is it of anyone's how much he rents his property for?
We don't care how much he rents it for.
He was not allowed to rent it at all. He lied about it, got caught, and now has to pay the consequences.
The majority of the building voted in the rental cap. It keeps the value up and lowers turnover. This guy voted for it. We found his vote and survey response from the event.
Quote from: zooom on January 23, 2013, 06:36:50 AM
and how long till that lien exceeds the value of the property and he can be evicted and the unit sold to satiate the lien?
He owns two units in the building, sold one and illegally rented the other. We bought it on sheriff sale.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 23, 2013, 09:17:58 AM
We don't care how much he rents it for.
He was not allowed to rent it at all. He lied about it, got caught, and now has to pay the consequences.
The majority of the building voted in the rental cap. It keeps the value up and lowers turnover. This guy voted for it. We found his vote and survey response from the event.
Oh...that's different. I still don't understand if you have a rental cap why you can't rent. ???
HOA's still suck. ;)
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2013, 09:23:07 AM
Oh...that's different. I still don't understand if you have a rental cap why you can't rent. ???
HOA's still suck. ;)
Agreed
and
Agreed again.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 23, 2013, 09:19:30 AM
He owns two units in the building, sold one and illegally rented the other. We bought it on sheriff sale.
What other kind of trouble makers have you got?
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2013, 09:23:07 AM
Oh...that's different. I still don't understand if you have a rental cap why you can't rent. ???
HOA's still suck. ;)
Per the by-laws, only 20% of the units can be rented at once. Given the economy the past few years this has impacted some owners (me included). We looked at changing the rule and there was not enough votes. People see value in an owner occupied building.
The current waiting list for those that would like to rent is 2 years out.
All these 'rules' are why I will never live anywhere there is anything remotely resembling a HOA.
It's my property and I'll do with it as I please within the law...well...most of the time... :P
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2013, 10:06:16 AM
All these 'rules' are why I will never live anywhere there is anything remotely resembling a HOA.
It's my property and I'll do with it as I please within the law...well...most of the time... :P
Makes me think of the time I burned that old single wide trailer one night. The flames were at least 15' high. I don't think I could have got a permit to do that.
Quote from: Mendo Dave on January 23, 2013, 10:17:30 AM
Makes me think of the time I burned that old single wide trailer one night. The flames were at least 15' high. I don't think I could have got a permit to do that.
Yeah...
the permit I had to burn brush didn't cover the pig shed it was in. ;)
And yet the world is a better place without old pig sheds and derelict trailers.
Oklahoma is gone?
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2013, 06:38:17 AM
...and this is one reason why HOA's suck.
What business is it of anyone's how much he rents his property for?
my thoughts exactly.
Hell..., every owner in that building should take notes and raise their rates to tenants. And if they are owner occupied, maybe it's time to rent! [cheeky]
Quote from: Pedro-bot on January 23, 2013, 11:39:33 AM
my thoughts exactly.
Hell..., every owner in that building should take notes and raise their rates to tenants. And if they are owner occupied, maybe it's time to rent! [cheeky]
I think it was explained that it was a cap on the number of units being rented out at one time, not the rent itself.
thank you for pointing that out
Quote from: bobspapa on January 23, 2013, 10:26:38 AM
Oklahoma is gone?
crying with laughter thank you!! [laugh] [laugh] [laugh] [clap] [clap] [clap]
A problem with the HOA here was members that never came to meetings. EVERY time we sent a letter to a certain member about past due HOA dues we got a letter back about what we 'needed' to do and he wouldn't pay until these things were addressed. My wife was secretary at the time. I wrote the response. It was hilarious. He paid his dues, but STILL won't come to meetings. He doesn't send suggestions anymore though.
JM
HOA's were invented by the man who Owns Vertical Scope.
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Another phrase for an HOA is Private Government and with all forms of government they attract Barney Fife's who suck and thus brings us to the post subject.
Quote from: Drjones on January 23, 2013, 01:50:25 PM
Another phrase for an HOA is Private Government and with all forms of government they attract Barney Fife's who suck and thus brings us to the post subject.
We won't go there...K?
I will send you a relatively stern PM if you get my thread locked.
I'm all for rules to keep my property value from plummeting, but most of the times they go over board, like the rule that you can only have 1 tenant a year.
I do not agree with all the rules in my building, but as President I was charged with up keeping and to some level enforcing them.
Everyone who buys into a condo here gets the documents that spell out what is allowed and not allowed. When they come pregnant doging later I have little sympathy.
No body is blaming you LMT
Nah, we're totally blaming you
Quote from: ducpainter on January 23, 2013, 02:50:06 PM
We won't go there...K?
Shrug. There's nothing in my reply that wasn't already posted by the OP or by others earlier in the thread, so y'all were already there.
Quote from: Mendo Dave on January 23, 2013, 11:41:36 PM
No body is blaming you LMT
I did not take it as blame! Just making a statement. People, at least in my building, get all upset about what they are not allowed to do when they knew all along it was not allowed.
Quote from: Drjones on January 24, 2013, 05:47:32 AM
Shrug. There's nothing in my reply that wasn't already posted by the OP or by others earlier in the thread, so y'all were already there.
Obviously I disagree or I wouldn't have said anything.
Let's leave it at that.
We have the opposite problem. Someone was pregnant doging about my 280Z (doesn't look perfect, but not like a heap either) in the driveway. At first, it was because I had no tags on it and someone assumed it a junk/not running car. The next time, it had expired plates on, and parked beside the house (my truck often parks here too with no complaint) instead of the driveway again, assumed junk/not running. Our HOA (really just a road maintenance agreement) doesn't cover ANY of the sort, just simply refers to the county rules. County allows up to three junk cars visible and no restrictions on parking. I just told them I was with the county rules and closed the door.
JM
Quote from: the_Journeyman on January 24, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
County allows up to three junk cars visible
This is why HOA's exist and will continue to exist.
Quote from: hbliam on January 24, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
This is why HOA's exist and will continue to exist.
I wonder if the theoretical prevention of a decrease in property value due to eyesores is offset by the less attractive issue of dealing with an HOA.
We have met the enemy.....
I bet it might have something to do with it. Whenever I look at a property that has all sorts of nice features and the attractiveness scale is up around 10 then the thought of an HOA or CC&R lowers it a point or so. Then I think you don't even know the half..another point lost.
I will say, as we look at a house, before we go into much detail about it, we request the platt AND the homeowner's agreement. We have already nixed two houses over HOA.
JM
Quote from: hbliam on January 24, 2013, 03:30:02 PM
This is why HOA's exist and will continue to exist.
Yep. [thumbsup]
HOAs suck...but so does a neighbor with a bunch of junkers sitting on their lawn!
Quote from: Triple J on January 25, 2013, 10:59:11 AM
Yep. [thumbsup]
HOAs suck...but so does a neighbor with a bunch of junkers sitting on their lawn!
there's typically ordinances about such a thing, without meddling neighbors.
I don't understand why some people are so intent to sign up for more rules, some of which often ban motos. What sort of item is this board centered around again?
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 25, 2013, 11:17:43 AM
there's typically ordinances about such a thing, without meddling neighbors.
I don't understand why some people are so intent to sign up for more rules, some of which often ban motos. What sort of item is this board centered around again?
Never said I liked HOAs. I'd read the rules carefully if I ever wanted a house in a development with them. I wouldn't want a neighbor with broken down cars either though (or a collection of motorhomes parked on the street, etc)...even if they were allowed by the local ordinances (like Journeyman suggested).
How many non HOA owners have neighbors like that?
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 26, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
How many non HOA owners have neighbors like that?
I'm pretty sure my neighbors aren't fond of me [cheeky]
One of the places my wife and I looked at limited the number of pet to 1 dog and 2 cats. They also had a provision that would lead to a ban of any vehicle that creates a disturbance. Basically, it targets loud motorcycles. We passed that one up too.
JM
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 26, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
How many non HOA owners have neighbors like that?
More than HOA owners.
All I did was agree with hbliam that there's a reason HOAs exist...people aren't always considerate of their neighbors. Some HOAs are OK, some are horrible...just like everything in life.
Keep in mind, HOAs can do more than make goofy rules. Many neighborhoods have common landscape areas, parks, pools...these all need maintenance, which the HOA takes care of via dues. Similar situation for condo and townhouse developments.
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 26, 2013, 10:05:00 AM
How many non HOA owners have neighbors like that?
I have a nice neighbor that has a broken down car sitting on the street. There are also a couple of pretty trashy houses on my block. I can live with it. One thing you can do is talk with your neighbors, fix up your place. It rubs off, the next thing you know some of the other neighbors are fixing their place up too. It helps.
We have a pretty good set of neighbors right now. No junk, yards kept up, no weekly wild parties, safe for the kids to run amok. Our City is pretty good about code enforcement anyway. A broken down car on the street would be gone in 3 days. Visible on your property would take a month or two but it would be gone too. RV's are not allowed to park on the street except for loading/unloading.
I choose not to live in a HOA because I don't want someone telling me what color to paint my house and when. Or that I can't leave my garage door open while I work on stuff in the garage (A HOA near us told one of my friends this, he moved).
HOA's are a necessary evil in places that allow 3 junk cars in a driveway (or lawn, the ultimate in trashiness) and such BS. If people want to live like that there are plenty of places with large tracts of land where you can collect to your hearts content and not force someone to live next to your landfill. I think they call it Kentucky and Bakersfield (sorry BP ;)).
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 26, 2013, 02:43:34 PM
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Agreed. But common courtesy would lead the owner of such to keep it in the garage, workshop, or out of view as its being molded into its latest form.
Quote from: hbliam on January 26, 2013, 02:45:50 PM
Agreed. But common courtesy would lead the owner of such to keep it in the garage, workshop, or out of view as its being molded into its latest form.
Not disagreeing, but let's say the guy is a hot rodder, and needs 2 or 3 cars to make one...
...and doesn't have a 4 car garage to store the parts cars and a bay to work in until the project is done.
Not everyone that has 'junk' is being inconsiderate. They might just be trying to 'live a dream'.
IMO it's the neighbor that won't let him live his life in peace that's being inconsiderate.
That's why I live here and not in so many other places.
Quote from: hbliam on January 26, 2013, 01:09:52 PM
HOA's are a necessary evil in places that allow 3 junk cars in a driveway (or lawn, the ultimate in trashiness) and such BS.
My lawn is my driveway :P
Quote from: MrIncredible on January 26, 2013, 03:15:52 PM
My lawn is my driveway :P
Sounds like you should have a load #3 - delivered to your place. besides you would have something to move with your tractor.
Quote from: Mendo Dave on January 26, 2013, 04:45:03 PM
Sounds like you should have a load #3 - delivered to your place. besides you would have something to move with your tractor.
Just get covered in pine needles and becomes something else I need to keep clean somehow.
I thought I saw redwoods on your property dropping redwood needles all over the place.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 26, 2013, 03:01:24 PM
Not disagreeing, but let's say the guy is a hot rodder, and needs 2 or 3 cars to make one...
...and doesn't have a 4 car garage to store the parts cars and a bay to work in until the project is done.
Not everyone that has 'junk' is being inconsiderate. They might just be trying to 'live a dream'.
IMO it's the neighbor that won't let him live his life in peace that's being inconsiderate.
That's why I live here and not in so many other places.
When his "living in peace" drops the value of another's property he isn't living in peace.
Thus the existence of HOA's.
Quote from: hbliam on January 26, 2013, 08:20:19 PM
When his "living in peace" drops the value of another's property he isn't living in peace.
Thus the existence of HOA's.
Tell him to move here.
I'll help him with his hot rod, and then help him haul the scrap off when he's done so has room for the next project.
You guys can worry about your property values, your manicured lawns, and what color or how many windows are on your neighbors houses.
I'd rather have a neighbor.
Quote from: ducpainter on January 27, 2013, 04:23:07 AM
I'd rather have a neighbor.
You just want someone to con into helping you make dust.
;D
Quote from: hbliam on January 26, 2013, 08:20:19 PM
When his "living in peace" drops the value of another's property he isn't living in peace.
Thus the existence of HOA's.
+1
I'd rather just have a neighbor too (I'm friends with all my neighbors now, without a HOA). I wouldn't even mind the hot rod situation you described DP, and would probably offer to help,
if it was temporary.
What some don't understand here is some people have to live in cities, with closely spaced houses, due to work. I'd rather live somewhere a little less urban, where what your neighbor does or how they keep their house is irrelevant, but that isn't an option (without dealing with a massive commute). If I have to, or want to, move for some reason, I don't want my neighbor's activities lowering my home value or making it overly hard to sell. It isn't an unreasonable request in closely spaced developments.
Again, not saying I like HOAs...but I do understand why they exist. I hope to never have to deal with one, and always have nice neighbors.
I think HOAs work in Condos. We have shared space, club room, deck, fitness room, etc. that all need upkeep. My building has 176 units and we all live in close proximity. We need some basic rules to keep the place looking nice and to help maintain the peace.
In a stand alone house, I would not want an HOA.
Quote from: Little Monkey Toes on January 27, 2013, 09:20:08 AM
I think HOAs work in Condos. We have shared space, club room, deck, fitness room, etc. that all need upkeep. My building has 176 units and we all live in close proximity. We need some basic rules to keep the place looking nice and to help maintain the peace.
In a stand alone house, I would not want an HOA.
I would agree with that.
Quote from: Triple J on January 27, 2013, 09:12:01 AM
What some don't understand here is some people have to live in cities, with closely spaced houses, due to work. I'd rather live somewhere a little less urban, where what your neighbor does or how they keep their house is irrelevant, but that isn't an option (without dealing with a massive commute). If I have to, or want to, move for some reason, I don't want my neighbor's activities lowering my home value or making it overly hard to sell. It isn't an unreasonable request in closely spaced developments.
Again, not saying I like HOAs...but I do understand why they exist. I hope to never have to deal with one, and always have nice neighbors.
That sums it up.
Can I add that tenants also suck. If it wasn't for the fact that I simply don't want to ruin my credit, I would completely walk away from this property.
well....I want to reinforce 1 aspect....we seem to all be bagging on HOA's as a whole...a set of covenants is put in place for an HOA to enforce...the HOA is as good or as strict or as sorry as the people that make it up...pair that with basic communication and you have yourself some reality here about how liberal or strict the rules can actually be...if you are a participant and are reasonable and you don't have busybodies that have nothing better to do than to enforce the strictest letter of all the rules....you probably will have a lot less headaches than what most suffer because of their inability to be a participant in their own neighborhood.
Remember that the property is in Boca, retirement capitol of the world. Busybodies are the norm there and I generally didn't mind them. They love to badmouth people and in general can be annoying simply because they're looking for someone to vent. The main cause of my pain is how some of the board members seem to have a superiority complex. We all have the same rights. They have no more power than the owner that never goes to the meetings. These guys think that they hold our collective lives in their hands.
Quote from: duccarlos on January 28, 2013, 09:20:37 AM
Remember that the property is in Boca, retirement capitol of the world. Busybodies are the norm there and I generally didn't mind them. They love to badmouth people and in general can be annoying simply because they're looking for someone to vent. The main cause of my pain is how some of the board members seem to have a superiority complex. We all have the same rights. They have no more power than the owner that never goes to the meetings. These guys think that they hold our collective lives in their hands.
all you have to do is politely remind them that they are much closer to the grave than you are...
Quote from: zooom on January 28, 2013, 10:28:58 AM
all you have to do is politely remind them that they are much closer to the grave than you are...
Doesn't always work.
A young man will fight you...
an old man will just kill you. ;D
Quote from: ducpainter on January 28, 2013, 11:26:36 AM
Doesn't always work.
A young man will fight you...
an old man will just kill you. ;D
Old age and treachery always overcomes youth and skill.
Well, the tenants were finally approved, minus the dog that the board simply wanted out. I hired a property manager to deal with the renters going forward. I just pay my mortgage and let them handle everything else. I'm so tired of dealing with this BS.