So me and my buddy who has a 1098 went up to carlisle PA this past weekend for the big bike show. Great ride, on the way back we swapped bikes for a few miles and I got on his 1098. First gear wasnt all that impressive until i romped on it in second. That thing pulled pretty hard. It is a lot different than riding a monster though. He loved my Monster too, he had never ridden a monster before.
thats it?
Bro I am here at work "working hard" and thought this would be a great read.But....oh well. I want a bit more detail in the ride. I love my Monster, but having a sportbike as well might be a second option for me. I love the new 1098, but would like to know how is the riding position, how is the torque, how is the low speed handling, is the motor built up for just more top-end?
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i rode the new Desmocedeci.
it was great. i would buy it and you should too! [thumbsup]
Desmosedici - it's the new Paso ;D [laugh]
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or the old superlight
First gear wasn't impressive? I think you need to twist the throttle. First gear is very impressive on my 848, so I can only imagine it is on a 1098.
For CountGreffi...keep in mind mine is an 848:
Riding Position: sucks with stock bars, pretty comfy with Heli bars. I think I'm just the wrong height (5'-9") for the stock set-up.
Torque: Plenty (I also have a MTS1000, and used to have an M900)
Low Speed Handling: It's OK. Monster or Multi are better...especially the Multi. It's doable though.
Top End: The whole bike is built for top end. Riding slow...especially in traffic...kinda sucks. The bike is awesome though. [evil]
Quote from: CountGreffi on July 28, 2008, 11:07:21 AM
Bro I am here at work "working hard" and thought this would be a great read.But....oh well. I want a bit more detail in the ride. I love my Monster, but having a sportbike as well might be a second option for me. I love the new 1098, but would like to know how is the riding position, how is the torque, how is the low speed handling, is the motor built up for just more top-end?
cg
riding position is all relative. some think it's too agressive, to me, it's just right. Switching from the monster to the 1098 is an adjustment, but not that big of one. I broke my back a few years ago, and I actually like being bent over a lil more ( insert funny anus joke here) I still have the stock bars on it.
The bike has lots of usable power in all the rev range. It kicks in a lil more at about 6500 rpms. Ive done lots of stop and go traffic without a ton of wrist/arm drain. It does feel better when riding it the way it's intended to be ridden.
Even w/o the 14t sprocket.... it does not chug like my m900 or s2r800 did.
At almost 6 thousand miles, I'm on rear tire #3 and front tire #2.
The bike is rock solid. Body weight transfers do not upset the bike at all. I have yet to feel like I had to force the bike to go where I wanted it to go.
One finger front braking, and at they still feel the same as they did 6000 miles ago.
I quite enjoyed the 1098. If I could afford one I would buy one.
I rode a friends 1098 and I can't really say I was beyond impressed. It's still a Duc, it pulled nicely but not ridicoulously nice as compared to my bike. The seat was a wooden board as compared to the couch I ride now. Mirrors might as well not be there, I never knew I had such nice forearms. The position was very agro, I'm 6'1 and felt like a gorilla on that thing.
I wouldn't rule the bike out completely as I'm sure it's a beast in it's element (track/twiesty) but from the freeway ride I took, it was just "OK".
Quote from: arai_speed on July 29, 2008, 09:21:53 PM
I rode a friends 1098 and I can't really say I was beyond impressed. It's still a Duc, it pulled nicely but not ridicoulously nice as compared to my bike. The seat was a wooden board as compared to the couch I ride now. Mirrors might as well not be there, I never knew I had such nice forearms. The position was very agro, I'm 6'1 and felt like a gorilla on that thing.
I wouldn't rule the bike out completely as I'm sure it's a beast in it's element (track/twiesty) but from the freeway ride I took, it was just "OK".
You guys talking about it just pulling "nicely" it doesnt sound like you gave it full on throttle i would say it pulls like a bat out of hell anywhere past 1/2 throttle if u can keep the wheel down, just some FHE [roll]
I have given it full on throttle maybe TWICE and it nearly ripped my arms out of their sockets. But yes the seat is a board and i wish i had a DP Comfort seat. Of course u should spend most of your time hanging off of it anyways [evil]. Im 5 10 and i find the ergos to be perfect for me
ya'll people CRAZY. 150hp, 90tq on the freeway and its "okay" what are you use to driving? a 1600hp drag car?
Quote from: He Man on July 29, 2008, 10:15:25 PM
ya'll people CRAZY. 160hp, 90tq on the freeway and its "okay" what are you use to driving? a 1600hp drag car?
Fixed ;)
I've put about 2500 miles on the Monster and finally broke the 848 out today. Low speed handling really is dogshit on the 848 compared to the 695, but that's not the point of the bike. You want good low speed handling, buy a scooter. :)
keep the 1098 in 4th gear on the highway and rip the shit out of it.. youll see
I would like to ride one again. & not just around the block. Maybe one of these days. I guess its all realitive to what U were riding.
Jump off a little Monster onto the 1098,, & its,, Holy F,, this thing is a beast. Jump off a S4Rs onto the 1098 & its,,, Hey,, ya,, I lke this extra 30 HP & rail like handling,,,, but,, I suppose (& forgive me for saying this) But,, jump off a 1000cc I4 onto the 1098,, & its,,, whats the big deal ! :(
I am only guessing,, as I havent ridden a 1000cc I4 for awhile now(almost 2 yrs) & the 1098 was last summer,, & that wqas B4 I had my S4RS. Dam,, does anybody want to lend me there 1098 for a track day session ;D
Quote from: JDS 07 S4Rs on July 29, 2008, 11:21:10 PM
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Jump off a little Monster onto the 1098,, & its,, Holy F,, this thing is a beast. Jump off a S4Rs onto the 1098 & its,,, Hey,, ya,, I lke this extra 30 HP & rail like handling,,,, but,, I suppose (& forgive me for saying this) But,, jump off a 1000cc I4 onto the 1098,, & its,,, whats the big deal ! :(
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I think you hit the nail on the head JDS.
Quote from: arai_speed on July 29, 2008, 11:42:36 PM
I think you hit the nail on the head JDS.
I think u might have too i had ridden my bros CBR600 a couple times so my best comparison power wise would be that. It is all relative
I don't see the big deal about the 1098, I rode the thing around the parking lot an it was just like any other bike. I waz not even scared.
i saw a dude today on a busa. it was lowered and had an extended swing arm. the guy tippy towed it too... he is about 5'6.
You know how big bikes seem really wide from behind becasue the engine is lateral?
Well i thought that must of been why the bike looked huge 2 blocks away. so i speed up and i pull up next to him.....it wasnt the wide engine i was seeing, it was his fat gut. he was physically wider than a 1400cc busa engine. not only that, he was wearing a nazi helmet. 1400cc on him is probably the same thing as a 600cc on me!! hes got atleast 4 times the weight on me.
This is what he looked like. I shit you NOT. just on a busa.
(http://forums.snapsolutions.ca/img/pictures/fat-bike.jpg)
How come I don't have friends whose rich enough to own a 1098???
I desperately need to change my set of "friend" ;D
i admit I went from an S2R1K to my 848 so I did not have all the power of a S4R but the comparison from my bike to a 848 and a S4 to a 1098 should be comparable. Frankly if you are not stunned by how much faster it is than a Monster then you have not opened the throttle up enough. I went WOT on my Monster the 1st day I got it and it was great. I still have not gone WOT on my 848 in 1st or 2nd gear, the front end wants to climb to the sky whenever I try and I am not crazy about that.
Yes the riding position for taller riders is cramped. It is not nearly as easy to move around at slow speed. It is hotter than dog snot in summer traffic. All of those things are true, but a Ducati superbike is like an SR-71, it is not happy going slow, it wants to be screaming along and the faster and harder you go the faster and harder it wants to go. It's not for everyone. I am 5'10" and it fits me well. I may get new rearsets just because my knees are not what they once were but the ergos are not bad in my opinion.
All of this is the great thing about scooters you get what you want, I just want a bunch more of them, including another Monster.
For the record, I pinned the throtle on my buddies 1098.
Quote from: 696Racer on July 31, 2008, 06:07:35 PM
I don't see the big deal about the 1098, I rode the thing around the parking lot an it was just like any other bike. I waz not even scared.
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please tell me that was sarcasm.
It really is not just about the power/speed; the Monsters and the SBKs are entirely different types of bikes made for entirely different styles of riding. The best Corse (pun intended) of action would be to own one of each [thumbsup] It's like apples and oranges.
Quote from: hyphen on July 31, 2008, 11:12:12 PM
I don't see the big deal about the 1098, I rode the thing around the parking lot an it was just like any other bike. I waz not even scared.
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please tell me that was sarcasm.
It may have been a WalMart parking lot,,, when the store was closed ;). Probably about the same as riding one around the block. I couldnt give a real opinion based on that.
This is a pretty funny thread. Compare the bikes by taking them out in a set of twisties or on a track. Taking a 1098 around the block or in a parking lot is like taking a girl on a first date and then saying you think you know enough to marry her. ;D
I own both a S4r and a 1098s. The differences between the two are night and day. I love the Monster and will always own one, but as my friend says it's like riding a lawn mower compared to the 1098.
Quote from: slyfox on July 31, 2008, 06:34:45 PM
How come I don't have friends whose rich enough to own a 1098???
I desperately need to change my set of "friend" ;D
I'm rich?
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I'm rich?
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Can I borrow $10?
Quote from: ducducgooseme on August 01, 2008, 09:04:59 AM
This is a pretty funny thread. Compare the bikes by taking them out in a set of twisties or on a track. Taking a 1098 around the block or in a parking lot is like taking a girl on a first date and then saying you think you know enough to marry her. ;D
I own both a S4r and a 1098s. The differences between the two are night and day. I love the Monster and will always own one, but as my friend says it's like riding a lawn mower compared to the 1098.
I was going to throw the BS flag but since i don't have nor have I ever ridden an S4 I did not think it appropriate so thanx ducducgooseme for pointing out what I find some of the most absurd statements I have heard in a while.
I loved my Monster, if that idiot had not pulled out in front of me I would have it in addition to my 848, but to say that an S4 is in the same performance envelope as a 1098, frankly is just silly. Monsters are great motorcycles and loyalty is a wonderful thing but it does not give you an extra 30HP to keep up with that red rocket.
I have a question for you too arai_speed. I noticed in another thread that your buddies 1098 quit on him during a ride, is this the same one you rode? Me thinketh that there be something wrong with that bike so I am not sure you rode an accurate representation of a 1098.
As far as someone said about comparing them to a Japanese inline 4, I will only say this, I have a friend with an R1, he rode my 848 and he said that out of the hole it is without question the fastest motorcycle he has ever ridden and that on anything other than track with a long straights he would rather be on something that made torque down low and rocketed out of the corner. He is now looking at selling both his CBR600RR and his R1 and getting a 848 or 1098. I told him to get the 1098S or R if he can swing it, he is easily good enough to justify the added power a 1098 provides over an 848.
Noooo,, lets not go this route. As I said, I havent driven the 1098 for more then a block. Yes I would love to put it on a track. Somebody want to lend me one ? ? :)I did own a 99 - 996.
Out of the hole,,, well thats all based on driver skills. The High torqued Duc's will be easier to launch then the I4's. But,,, dont ever bet againest a skilled rider on a I4 in a stop light to stop light race. Or, to the 1st corner at the track.
Just on a side note. MOST people that U lend your bike to will have nothing but compliments on it,,, thats just the nature of MOST people. Whether they are really that impressed,,,,,,,,,,well,, who knows. I guess if they do sell there bike's & buy a 848 or 1098,, ya, that would truely tell the story.
I am not putting down a 1098,,, I would love to own one. &,,, I wish I had more experience riding one.
I guess,,, I will just shut my BIG YAP,,,until I have ridden one for a day or 2 ;D :)
PS: I dont think the oringal OP was that impressed with the 1098.
Quote from: kutter on August 01, 2008, 09:50:09 AM
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I have a question for you too arai_speed. I noticed in another thread that your buddies 1098 quit on him during a ride, is this the same one you rode? Me thinketh that there be something wrong with that bike so I am not sure you rode an accurate representation of a 1098.
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Hey Kutter, when I rode his bike the problem I posted about (the bike dying) was non existent. What an accurate representation of a 1098 is I honestly don't know...I would think that any 3 month old $17K 1098 would be an accurate representation of said bike. Now, I never said the bike wasn't fast or didn't go, but I wasn't blow away by it either. I posted my opinion, yours and others will differ, simple as that. This same friend owns a 2005 R1 and in his opinion the 1098 has "NOTHING" on his R1 when it comes to power.
The only thing he likes better about his 1098 when compared to the R1 are the breaks.
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I've ridden two different 1098's. The first one didn't impress me. It hardly seemed to have any more power than my 999 does and the brakes were terrible. The front brake lever would almost mush to the grip. I didn't tell the owner about the power but I mentioned the brakes to which he replied that he thought it was fine. The next 1098 I rode was an absolute animal. The acceleration and yank caught my attention real fast and the brakes were first rate. Moral of the story: depends on the bike and how it's set up. Having ridden the fast 1098 I think I'll stick with the 999 for a while. I don't need anything stronger than that for sure.
Quote from: mac900 on August 01, 2008, 04:18:34 PM
I've ridden two different 1098's. The first one didn't impress me. It hardly seemed to have any more power than my 999 does and the brakes were terrible. The front brake lever would almost mush to the grip. I didn't tell the owner about the power but I mentioned the brakes to which he replied that he thought it was fine. The next 1098 I rode was an absolute animal. The acceleration and yank caught my attention real fast and the brakes were first rate. Moral of the story: depends on the bike and how it's set up. Having ridden the fast 1098 I think I'll stick with the 999 for a while. I don't need anything stronger than that for sure.
Both bone stock bikes? If they were, then that sucks balls, I would be pretty f-n angry if I got a new 1098 and it turned out to be a "slow" model :(
Maybe one was a 1098, and the other a 1098s?
We are talking about Showa forks with radials and shock on the 1098
and Ohlins forks shocks with radial mono brakes on the 1098s
Is there traction control on the S?
Quote from: He Man on August 01, 2008, 04:50:46 PM
Maybe one was a 1098, and the other a 1098s?
We are talking about Showa forks with radials and shock on the 1098
and Ohlins forks shocks with radial mono brakes on the 1098s
Is there traction control on the S?
I believe the brakes are the same on both the 1098, and 1098s...and R for that matter. They're crazy good.
Only the R has traction control...and only with the DP ecu.
Quote from: ducducgooseme on August 01, 2008, 09:04:59 AM
This is a pretty funny thread. Compare the bikes by taking them out in a set of twisties or on a track. Taking a 1098 around the block or in a parking lot is like taking a girl on a first date and then saying you think you know enough to marry her. ;D
I own both a S4r and a 1098s. The differences between the two are night and day. I love the Monster and will always own one, but as my friend says it's like riding a lawn mower compared to the 1098.
You know, I don't get the guy that said something about scarsasm, i ain't no scarsarm! I married my H.S. sweetheart and was ready since the first night I saw her at the DQ! I think that my bike maybe a little slower than 1098 but probably not that much. the 1098 is okay, would look better with some balsa wood bodywork! If you need help, I can help, let me now.
Its possible I had too much coffee when I sent out my last post so if I did offend, then apologies to all.
When I read everyone's comments following mine it made me think about what kind of shape each bike is in for comparison. The dealer/mechanic that works on your bike has a very profound impact on the performance of said scooter. Having said that we do not always have the luxury of multiple dealers, more is the pity. I have never ridden an R1 so I cannot comment on how fast they are but the certainly have a reputation for being a very fast bike, hence the reason I was surprised when my friend said what he did.
I was curious about my friend so I sent him an e-mail, he has already sold the CBR and has someone interested in his R1. He spoke to my old dealership about an R model 1098 and I think he is going to do what he can to get one. I think he said they have 1 or 2 in stock. The riding in south Florida sucked but by God they did have a plethora of Ducati support down there, I miss that considering my scooter is 350 miles away at the dealer for a warranty repair on the charging system :-[
I had heard the same thing about the brakes on the 1098's, all were the same and they will flip you over the bars with one finger. ABS would be a nice thing to have with stopping power like that.
Quote from: arai_speed on August 01, 2008, 04:29:45 PM
Both bone stock bikes? If they were, then that sucks balls, I would be pretty f-n angry if I got a new 1098 and it turned out to be a "slow" model :(
Both were stock base models. I bet that the owner of the "slow" one with the spongy brake will crap in his pants once he gets the bike back from a decent service.
To be honest I found the 1098 very boring to ride, maybe it was just me but it felt like, how can I say a bit placid in comparison to the S4RS way of power delivery, you guys who own one would know what im talking about.
The power delivery from the 1098 felt like it was delivered through a big fire hose you could feel the power in it plenty there, but you sorta needed to wait for it ,where the S4RS power its sorts delivered via a big bucket thrown right at your face and you just need to deal with while gasping for air.
Not to say 1098 is not an awesome machine you can feel the race heritage egging you on to take it to the track ,flicks like crazy but [thumbsup]
I know what you mean Dockstrada. I took a pretty spirited 15 or so mi. ride up on the Blue Ridge Parkway on a 1098 Demo. I really liked the bike, but the shop owner was expecting me to gush over the superior power and handling of the 1098 over my kitted S4RS and sorry, but it's just not there. The power of the S4RS did seem to be more immediate somehow and if you look at the power curves for the two bikes the big hit from the 1098 comes in as you get to 8,000. Most street riding doesn't get the benefit of the upper rpm rush. Of course I've got 24,000 mi. on the S4RS so I'm very comfortable on it I'd have to spend a lot more time on the 1098 to make a really valid comparison.
The RS is soooo much more comfortable to me, but then I'm old and had two back surgeries.
If I was going to buy a 1098 it would have to be a fully kitted "S" model for sure and with the bars up a little. And with this new low, low interest from GE Money bank ........ I don't know ...... a black and gold 1098s? .... maybe?
I guess what I'd really like is a 1098S motor in what I already have. [thumbsup]
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